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[Aqizzar]

Wow, I think I reiterated my point nearly half a dozen times there.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Well done my apprentice, you have learned much.

[userpay]

Its offical, Avatar has earned more than Starwars.

[cowofdoom78963]

All that's left now is Titanic.

[ToonyMan]

What should have happened,

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[DFC] ToonyMan: My favorite part
[DFC] ToonyMan: was when the robot human things were firing their guns
[DFC] ToonyMan: I love the boom boom boom sound
[DFC] ToonyMan: of the gun firing
The Blind People: My favorite part:
The Blind People: The military commander escaping the explosion
[DFC] ToonyMan: yes
[DFC] ToonyMan: he
The Blind People: Fuck
[DFC] ToonyMan: is awesome
The Blind People: To
The Blind People: The
The Blind People: YEAH
[DFC] ToonyMan: you
[DFC] ToonyMan: hold it
[DFC] ToonyMan: The first time you realize his badassness
[DFC] ToonyMan: is when
[DFC] ToonyMan: he forgets to get a air mask
[DFC] ToonyMan: when he fires on the ship
[DFC] ToonyMan: he's all like
[DFC] ToonyMan: "oh"
[DFC] ToonyMan: I forgot to breath human air
[DFC] ToonyMan: how silly of me
The Blind People: He just held his breath
The Blind People: Because screw breathing, some bastards need some shooting
[DFC] ToonyMan: then another
[DFC] ToonyMan: when a explosion goes off 5 feet from him
[DFC] ToonyMan: and he lights on fire
[DFC] ToonyMan: screw that
[DFC] ToonyMan: I own the fire
The Blind People: Fire ha snothing on me
The Blind People: I had relations with that fires mother
[DFC] ToonyMan: unfortunaly
[DFC] ToonyMan: being a movie
[DFC] ToonyMan: and him
[DFC] ToonyMan: being a bad guy
[DFC] ToonyMan: =
[DFC] ToonyMan: dead
The Blind People: Fortunately, dead with a mech-knife in hand
[DFC] ToonyMan: and another
The Blind People: "You've got guts, lets see them."
[DFC] ToonyMan: he gets stabbed in the neck
[DFC] ToonyMan: and he pulls out the foot long blade
[DFC] ToonyMan: I can't belive 2 arrows killed him
[DFC] ToonyMan: that's not cannon
The Blind People: "Dead to a single arrow? I think not."
[DFC] ToonyMan: he lives
The Blind People: Yes
The Blind People: He lives
The Blind People: He learnes to breathe the native air
[DFC] ToonyMan: he kills the protaginsts dude
[DFC] ToonyMan: and his girlfrind
The Blind People: He climbs down into the root systems
[DFC] ToonyMan: and kills everything on the planet
[DFC] ToonyMan: EVERYTHING
The Blind People: And beats the planet to death

[CobaltKobold]

*sigh*

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I just tried to watch Avatar for the first time last night when I was over at my parents' place. All I could think was that the movie cost a quarter billion dollars and Disney made it years ago for much cheaper when they produced Pocahontas, and why were the doctors giving a debriefing to the grunts who just got unfrozen when to the grunts it had only been a few moments since they were last conscious, and WTF paraplegic marine is not going to keep up, and all the alien animals were just glowy blue Earth creatures, and why was the grunt able to run instantly when the other guy had 450 hours of training and could barely walk, and OMFG TURN IT OFF.

I think I may have made it a half-hour in. I'm not really sure. It felt like a heavy half an hour.

I'm not sure that I would have walked out of the theater if I had paid to see it. But I would have been pissed to have paid anything for it.

[ToonyMan]

Good thing you watched the home version then right?

[LeoLeonardoIII]

I guess :/

I went into it hoping it would be so much more. I wanted to see what their alien environment and creatures would look like. And it was just Earth rainforest with blue glowing creatures.

[Neruz]

Avatar is all about the pretty.

And it is very pretty.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Haha yeah about that, when the miracle grunt fought off the pack of rabid Space Dogs, the CGI fire on his torch looked completely fake.

I mean, you could argue something about atmospheric composition or the fuel or the low gravity, whatever, but it stood out in the graphics like a sore thumb. And the typical audience member, I think, wouldn't make those excuses right away - they'd just be pulled out of the action by some sort of funky flames.

But yeah the rest of it was pretty nice looking. I liked the eyes, and the stuff was generally high-resolution and well made. I mean, I'm not complaining about how the Blue Lemurs looked. Just that they were Blue Lemurs.

[smigenboger]

Sadly, it was Piecewise, I believed, who got me hooked on Electric Sheep, which is eye porn that's exactly what it says it is, it's sheer utter beauty and fractals, no plot, no real attempt at plot, just beautiful, beautiful eye porn. Some day I'll take illegals and connect that to my friend's HDTV

[Neruz]

I just went and looked at that fire again, and Leo, i can only conclude you have eyesight issues or something. It's by far the most realistic fire i've seen in CGI.

Do you actually know what waving a flaming torch around looks like? Because that's pretty much what it looks like.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

It looked too liquidy to me. Like the fire stayed where it was too long before burning out, or the torch was giving off too widely-spread and long-lasting flammable vapors.

I guess it should have been snappier. I'm not sure what needs to change, because I'm not a CG artist.

[Aqizzar]

I just went and looked at that fire again, and Leo, i can only conclude you have eyesight issues or something. It's by far the most realistic fire i've seen in CGI.

I have to think it would have been cheaper and easier to just use a real flame, and then this wouldn't even be an issue.  Yes the flames looked good, but they looked good in a CGI way.  Too patterned, too clearly-defined, and not bright enough.

[Neruz]

It looked too liquidy to me. Like the fire stayed where it was too long before burning out, or the torch was giving off too widely-spread and long-lasting flammable vapors.

I guess it should have been snappier. I'm not sure what needs to change, because I'm not a CG artist.

I assure you, as my cousin set up the fire twirling club at Melbourne University, i know exactly what a flaming torch looks like when you wave it around, and that is pretty much what it looks like.

Looking at it again, frame by frame, i think they must have used real fire 'planted' into the scene, because it's almost too perfect.


Aqizzar; fire actually isn't all that bright, especially torch fire. It's better than nothing certainly, but a flaming torch generates very little light. Hollywood usually massively exxagurates how much light a flaming torch produces because the amount of light a real torch produces isn't enough to film anything useful in.

Also, the length of time the torch burned for suggests the liquid was similar to the low-temperature slow-burning reactants used in fire twirling, which do in fact tend to produce a fairly 'dull orange' flame instead of the bright white flame you get from something like a bonfire.