I don't have time to do a proper re-read of the thread right now, since my computer has become highly unstable and could crash at any time, so it's time for random questions.
Alsark, not only are you not trying to scumhunt, you claimed to be experienced earlier and I have seen you do little, but I believe trying to get the cop to out himself/herself to be a scummy thing to do. If there is a cop, he'd become an easy target for tonight and probably give no useful information. Had he/she found a scum, he/she would probably have already said something by now. If there is no cop, then a scum could claim it and claim their ally as being town - A massive increase in confusion levels. So, I ask you to give your views on who you think is scummy, and why.
It is good that we have some discussion going now.
Unfortunately all of the rounds I have played in the past have allowed the usage of IMs, or at the very least, PMs. Most of my scumhunting tends to be through reaction testing via instant messenger programs. An
immediate reaction is important. When people have time to think about how they reply, they can mask their reaction with something more appropriate to town-level. This hinders scumhunting, but not to the point where you cannot totally get a vibe from people through their posts.
Anyway, my strategy for the cop revealing himself was for LYLO. If it were LYLO (three mafia), the cop would want to out his reports because we would HAVE to lynch correctly. Now that we know this is no longer the case, there is not as much pressure present. However, my point still stands that the chances of the cop dying have become significantly higher. Note, too, that there might also be a mafia roleblocker. That means the mafia essentially has a 2/5 chance of "disabling" the cop (if there is a roleblocker). Those are pretty substantial chances -
especially if we mislynch today (there is then a 50% chance of disabling the cop with a roleblocker present).
Alright, so we have a mislynch and this time we ARE going to use it. We're not going to let ourselves have a tie again.
Anyway, I've been FoSing Cheddarius all game but I'm getting different vibes now. I'd like to just jot down a few notes...
Nirur Tiror - Has seemed pretty aggressive all game. He was both the first person to ask questions (albeit, in my opinion, rather silly ones) and the first person to vote. He's either very pro-town or quite an experienced mafia player. Either way, he has brought up some good points throughout the game.
Evilmonk - Caused the tie. This actually saved our mislynch for us, so it was actually a good thing. He ended up saving a townie... so this either means he is town or is a mafia WIFOMing us.
Cheddarius - The reason I have had my vote on you all game is because you were switching your vote around
so much - generally to whoever seemed like the easiest target. However, I think your scummy vibes have waned, which is why I am going to turn my attention towards others. Alternatively, you ARE scum, and it was so difficult to lynch you because your scumbuddies wouldn't allow it by voting for Siquo. That all seems too convenient though, considering Siquo's death, so I won't look too much into that. Another thing to note - Cheddarius could have voted for and killed Siquo day 1, but he didn't, which in that regard, puts him in the same boat as Monk. Is he a townie, or WIFOMing us?
RandomNumberGenerator - I haven't seen much from you besides your discussion with Siquo. Siquo seemed to think you were scum, though, and Cheddarius agreed (albeit I kind of think the reason why Siquo thought you were scum was odd, anyway). He absolutely loves to talk about WIFOM, though, and if he were mafia I would expect a lot of WIFOM (ex: Siquo dying).
Magmadeath - I haven't seen you contribute a
whole lot... you did post an incorrect vote tally, though. You were also switching between siquo and Cheddarius, but then again, I don't really blame you, as they were both pretty scummy.
Spitfire - As far as I've noticed, has probably contributed the least out of anybody else here. I don't have a whole lot to go off of here, but lurkyness and lack of contribution masks scumminess, which is never a good thing for the town.
I actually wouldn't be
too surprised if Nirur Tiror and Spitfire are scumbuddies. Nirur Tiror immediately singled out Spitfire for a rather strange question, "Who would you want for a scum partner and why?" It's an irrelevant question - the answer will not provide information, particularly if people here don't know one another (I don't know any of you so I don't know if you know one another). Then he backed off
very quickly, despite saying he was going to "question them until they drop significant scumtells." Not very good questioning if you back off so easily.
Seeing as how this is beginner mafia, I think the general tendency of the mafia here would be to try and stay out of the shadows a little bit (Nirur Tiror might be an exception - he seems experienced).
Here are some sentences or bits I thought were noteworthy:
You dug a nice deep pit for yourself with that WIFOM while I was sleeping, scum. Now, why are you hiding what your pokemon type is, unless you feel that it is a scum-type, and will give you away?
Sounds over the top aggressive. Calling somebody scum the way he called them scum comes off as... a bit scummy to me, ironically. You can't call anybody scum as a 100% fact, and it just struck me as coming off that way with the tone - and obviously the only people who KNOW who and who is not scum are the mafia. Yes, I know, Cheddarius was scummy, but that doesn't mean you can say, "You ARE scum."
Now we have one mislynch, instead of two.
Interesting... I will address this sentence in my questions below.
Siquo-Cheddarius, theevilmonk, Randomnumbergenerator
Cheddarius-spitfire684, Magmadeath, Nirur Torir, Alsark
Randomnumbergenerator-Siquo
Wrong. Nirur Tiror voted for Siquo, not Cheddarius. People following your tally would have believed Cheddarius was going to be lynched - instead we had another no lynch. To be honest I was a bit too taken aback by the person who called a dead player scum, FoSed the town IC, and thought we should no lynch every phase calling me stupid to really tally the votes myself at the time. Albeit I would have kept my vote on Cheddarius anyway.
Now that I have my thoughts down, it's time for the questions:
- This is for every single living player here: How much have each of you played mafia? I would like to get a general level of experience from everybody here. Unfortunately, with a mafia IC lack of skill will not be entirely evident since even unskilled mafia can gain advice, but I still believe that this is a point worth knowing.
- Another question for every player here: Provide your primary and secondary suspects and explain why.
- Monk: What was your role and affiliation last game?
- Nirur Tiror: Why all of the silly questions early on in the game? It almost seems like an attempt to scumhunt without actually scumhunting because the answers don't actually provide us with any real kind of information.
- Nirur Tiror: Second question. How did you know there were only two mafia before this fact was
ever announced? Refer to my quoted sentence above to see what I'm referring to. Most rounds with nine players I have played with have had three mafia. The "norm" for mafia to town ratio is either 1:3 or 1:4 (or somewhere in between), but why did you assume that there had to be two mafia?
Now, I'm not going to place my vote yet. I want to hear from everybody before I do so.