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[Cheddarius]

Cheddarius, right now you're swimming in quicksand: all posts you made so far made you sink deeper into scumminess.

...and? Any advice, then? How could I show I'm not scum?

[Halmie]

Its not as scummy to bandwagon than to go out of your way to avoid bandwagonning. Its either get asked a question or get hammered.

Hmmm. So... now what? I get lynched, or is there some way I can redeem myself and reduce my scumminess?

Keep on scumhunting. Remember if you show that someone else is more scummy than you, they wont vote for you. Even if you still get lynched. The win is still in the team. So keep scumhunting.

[Cheddarius]

All right, then...
Well, I guess you're the only one online.
Halmie, why are you scum?

[Halmie]

I'm not in this game stoopy.

I think you've got four votes on you. Just say who you think is suspicous then why and then pile a whole load of questions on them (and a vote) and don't stop until you are sure they are either town or scum. If you do it right you WILL know.

[GlyphGryph]

Vote Roundup time!
Standard setup, name on left, followed by number of votes on person, followed by the people voting for them.

Votes:
RandomNumberGenerator (2) - Siquo, theevilmonk
Cheddarius (4) - MagmaDeath, spitfire684, Cthulhu, Nirur Torir
Siquo (1) - RandomNumberGenerator
Alsark (1) - Cheddarius

Note voting:
Alsark

[Siquo]

((RNG has two votes (well, two names behind him).))

Also, I'm awaiting his defense. Well?

[GlyphGryph]

You saw nothing.

:hand waves:

[Halmie]

You saw nothing.

:hand waves:

You seem to be learning fast.

Also, never just wait on more people coming. You want as much pressure on people as possible. More pressure = More mistakes.

[Siquo]

You saw nothing.

:hand waves:

These are not the droids we're looking for. 

[Cheddarius]

Well then, I'm going to sleep now. Keep in mind I still was asking two questions, I think, at some point. So answer them guys.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

Hmm, doubting between Cheddarius and Randomnumbergenerator here.

But to answer the questions, and this is now hypothetical, sorry about breaking the rule earlier, we're not going to do this: When the round-robin was complete, we would all post the name we were given, but I would not tell anyone that until the round was complete. The scum would be exposed if they changed the name

But there was another thing to this.
Why do I vote RNG? Because I actually had an almost game-breaking good idea even if it was illegal. I scared the scum. The scum wants to get rid of me. So even if I die tonight, I'll take one of them with me. RNG, logic dictates: you're scum.

Maybe you should check your own logic first, Siquo.

1) You never claimed that we would all post our PMs to see what we were given. Claiming I'm panicked because of a something you never posted is quite foolhardy. It almost seems that you're grasping at straws here.

2) Even if you did post this, it wouldn't make a difference. The scum could claim that they obtained information different from what they were actually given - or they could claim the truth. All this strategy does is create a bunch of WIFOM, which is scum's ultimate weapon.

How will you frame him? Me dying (dieing? dyeing?) at night is no real proof of my accusation being right. Or wrong. Everything could be a spoof or a hoax.

Your "what if for example" came quickly and naturally, though. You're still on my list as well. Also, you post and talk a LOT here. People with things to hide usually talk a lot.

In my experience, I've found people with things to hide usually try to stay hidden in the shadows(not lurking, just posting enough to get by). Wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves, would they?

Yes, that seems fairly probable, if not certain.

Cheddarius, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be, and spreading WIFOM around like crazy. Any particular reason for this?

Also, I'm awaiting his defense. Well?

I was asleep, dude. I posted that last night before I went to bed, and I just woke up.

[Siquo]

I know, I know, just making sure you did have a chance to defend. Which you did, scummily. My vote stands.

I've found people with things to hide usually try to stay hidden in the shadows(not lurking, just posting enough to get by).

Which would be a stupid thing to do, if everyone knows that. WIFOM again.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

I know, I know, just making sure you did have a chance to defend. Which you did, scummily. My vote stands.

Oh really? How so? I think you're just looking for a scapegoat after your WIFOM plan failed.

I've found people with things to hide usually try to stay hidden in the shadows(not lurking, just posting enough to get by).

Which would be a stupid thing to do, if everyone knows that. WIFOM again.
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Yet it's also what 90% of the town players do, anyway. Which is why the scum can blend in so well with it.

[Siquo]

My plan certainly was not WIFOM, since I can safely assume you nor anyone else knew it was a double trap in and of itself. It was a form of plan however. Any kind of systematic plan or attempt at organisation is not in the benefit of scum. IMHO, you betrayed yourself.

[dakarian]

On the topic of Wine in front of me:

The mafia use of the term involves comments that try to draw you to second guess yourself based on the mentality of the player.. for example:

Dakarian: Jacquin is scum.  It's time to lynch em!

Litia: What if scum is trying to get that person killed?

Think about Litia's comment there.   Many of you are probably thinking "Well, Jacquin might be scum..but perhaps Dakarian just wants us to think tha and he's scum...but maybe Litia is scum trying to save Jacquin..but...ARGGG!!"

And you go back and forth trying to figure out who is trying to trick you.  You're left confused, unsure of anything, and are forced to guess to figure it out.  That is WIFOM. 

The Mafia's night kill is NOT the most powerful weapon they have.  WIFOM is.  Making people second guess themselves in this manner is a great way to completely destroy the town.  If you are scum, you should find as many ways to trick the town into doing it without getting caught.  If you are town, you should do whatever it takes to avoid ever performing it.

Is it a scumtell?  Not alone since town can do it as much as scum.  You have to read the player behind it.  However, it IS anti-town and, thus, any sign of it should be stopped like a fire in a waste basket.

Note:  yes, this..

Yes, but what if, for example, I am the scum, and I kill you tonight in order to frame RNG?

Is Wine.  If siquo is killed then perhaps RNG is being framed...or perhaps RNG is scum trying to hide.  or Ched is scum framing both, or...UGG

Be VERY careful with Mafia Theory.  Instead, focus on pushing people.. trying to read them.  Try to end this day knowing the personalities of each of the players..how they act under pressure.. how they attack.. how they defend.. what sort of mistakes they do.  That should be your first goal here.