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[Cthulhu]

If I had a scumpartner it would be Org.  Next to him I'd look like some kind of deific logic machine and no one would suspect me. [/BEINGMEAN]

[Nirur Torir]

Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
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Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive

Of course I'm suggesting something.
Random Scumhunting: Where a random player is chosen, and questioned until they either drop sufficient scumtells that they are lynched for scumminess, or are left alone for more scummy people.
Going on the offensive is the way to find scum, as they win if nobody scumhunts. You seem like you don't want me on the offensive, and so I shall continue.

If you had your pick of any role listed as possibly in this game, which would it be, and why?

[theevilmonk]

wouldnt that be the whole point of this game? thats obvoulsy what hes doing

[spitfire684]

Any role... I'd probally be a cop. Inspecting people is useful

[Cheddarius]

Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.

Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.

[Cheddarius]

Additionally I don't quite understand random scumhunting. Why would you give a different answer as a scum than a townie? These questions seem to me to be fairly unrelated to the game - I mean, talking about what pokemon would be scum? It seems to me that if the scum answer from the heart, as it were, and not try to answer like a townie would answer, they won't give anything away.

[spitfire684]

Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.

Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.

It seems that your noob hunting. Trying to get people to vote me? I have hardly played this game I hardly know what is wrong and what is right. You seem to be bandwagoning with others which are interrigating me... And btw, I am a he

[Cthulhu]

Silly Cheddarius, only guys have female animu characters for their avatars.

[GlyphGryph]

FYI, I present... dakarian's guide to scumhunting!

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

[GlyphGryph]

Also, Siquo - watch yourself. You likely won't get another warning.

Also, even if your plan were allowed, it would be flawed - as the scum could just send out their own, lying, PMs.

[Nirur Torir]

Looking for scumtells, them pointing them out often makes scum very nervous.

Unvote. I'm not going to scare a new forum member away by tunneling you on day 1, even if you are scum.

Cheddarius, you seem intent on not doing things that would make you look like scum. Survivalism is a scum trait. Why aren't you scum hunting?

[ToonyMan]

SCAN, THE FIRST DAY BEGINS!

Pokemon, you say?

Cthulhu, if you were a scum, which type of Pokemon would you be?

You didn't vote.  Vote to show you mean it, no silly questions.

He'll come back for usss sssomeday! Sssomeday he'll come back and ussse Missssssingno to give usss all Rare Candiesss and we'll all be level 100 and he'll take usss to fight the elite four and - oh god, we're all going to die in thisss place

Active lurking, oh wait I'm not scum hunting.  I mean, do something that will help town catch scum/mafia.

I'd probably be a Greymon.  A less-cool version of a Pokemon hiding out and pretending to be a real pokemon.

Answers question, that's good.  You didn't poke anybody though with votes or anything.

I'm probably not even a Pokemon at all, given my distaste for that particular eastern "artistic style".

Or a really ugly one. At least I think I am. Growling in a corner.

Casual talk, no voting again.  Nothing to stop scum.

Guysss! Ssscum is clearly Meowth, Arbok, or the other dudesss.
I mean, whatever Team Rocket usssesss.
Not inherently evil, no, and you can even ussse them asss the good guy, but the only Pokemon with any sssort of evil connotationsss are the onesss that Team Rocket ussse. I think.
I really only played firssst and sssecond gen, ssso I dunno about the new onesss. But um... Victreebell, I think, wasss the one that Jamesss usssed?
Ssso thossse would be the ssscumbag ssscumkemon.

Nothing.  There is nothing except General Discussion talk.

All scum would probally be shadow type pokemon (Although I can't really even remember any shadow type ones because they are hardly any). Maybe team rocket ones...

Maybe I'm being too serious.....BUT MAYBE NO ONE IS VOTING AT ALL?/?

he already stated in the opening thing that your pokemon has no influence over whos scum and isnt. btw, im a nidorino, badass or what 

States the rule, that's town in my book.  Because, me and Pandarsenic were able to trick town into thinking there was a Godfather because they didn't bother re-reading the rules, no offense.

I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!

Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.

This is Beginner Mafia right?!  I think this whole Pokemon thing is confusing people.

Anyway, Jesse and James used Arbok and Weezing.

Good to know.

The Rules:

PMs: You may NOT PM to anyone except to me, the ICs, or from one mafia member to another. If you send a post to an IC or fellow mafia member, include me.  Furthermore, ALL discussion about this game, even indirectly, can only occur in this thread.

Lastly any suggestion of breaking a rule in the main chat will be treated as the rule already broken.  If you have any questions or wish to make sure of the legality of an action, PM me first.

Watch yourself, Siquo.

Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?

First person to vote, probably town.  FINALLY.

I got an idea. One of us is probably a Cop, but can't post his findings because he'll get killed first!

Sooo, he PM's his findings, to the next person in the playerlist. That person PM's it to the next person, and so on, the last person PM's to the first, until the last person PM's it again to the Cop. Then nobody knows who the cop is, but everyone knows what he found out! The cop should watch out when he PM's, don't do it too fast or you'll give yourself away.

not only would that not work but PMing is only allowed between Mafia one should really read the rules of the game

either way RandomNumberGenerator  which pokemon did you get and which would you want if you could make a choice
also to be more relevant who here would be your least favorite scumbuddy

oh god everytime i write a summary on the next post someone does another post about god damn pokemon why why why

Fishing for info, that's a scumtell.

Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?

Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive
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Playing hard to get, telling someone they are "going on the offensive" which is usually a towntell.

If I had a scumpartner it would be Org.  Next to him I'd look like some kind of deific logic machine and no one would suspect me. [/BEINGMEAN]

Answers question, does an Orgjoke.  This is always a good thing.

Spitfire684, who amongst the current players would you rather have as a scum partner, and why?
{/quote}
Are you suggesting something? Im not sure who I would have as a scum partner (I don't even know anyone that well). You seem to be going on the offensive

Of course I'm suggesting something.
Random Scumhunting: Where a random player is chosen, and questioned until they either drop sufficient scumtells that they are lynched for scumminess, or are left alone for more scummy people.
Going on the offensive is the way to find scum, as they win if nobody scumhunts. You seem like you don't want me on the offensive, and so I shall continue.

If you had your pick of any role listed as possibly in this game, which would it be, and why?

THIS.  THIS IS A GOOD POST.  WATCH THIS GUY.

wouldnt that be the whole point of this game? thats obvoulsy what hes doing

Defending someone else, I think.  I can't tell.  Probably is and that's a scumtell this early in the game.

Any role... I'd probally be a cop. Inspecting people is useful

Answers the nice question.  I would have said the same thing.

Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.

Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.

Alright, NEVER post you aren't going to vote someone you think is scum.  It just reeks really bad.  Cheeetar got me with this is BYOR Panda, but I was just town being stupid.

Additionally I don't quite understand random scumhunting. Why would you give a different answer as a scum than a townie? These questions seem to me to be fairly unrelated to the game - I mean, talking about what pokemon would be scum? It seems to me that if the scum answer from the heart, as it were, and not try to answer like a townie would answer, they won't give anything away.

Newbtell or scumtell, you decide.

Okay, it seems to me, also, that spitfire was a little bit indignant at the hunt. This may suggest that spitfire is scum, or simply that he or she is new (is he? or she? Wait, I'm just going to use he from now on, okay? It's easier).
But then I look like I'm bandwagoning.
For my part, Bayesian thinking tells me that a new player might be indignant, but a scum would be (or at least pretend to be). So I will guess that spitfire has a little higher chance of being scum.
But I can't vote him or you guys will think I'm scum. Oh well.

Anyway I think James had Victreebell later on, though he had Weezing at the beginning, like our friend the Master of R'lyeh suggested.

It seems that your noob hunting. Trying to get people to vote me? I have hardly played this game I hardly know what is wrong and what is right. You seem to be bandwagoning with others which are interrigating me... And btw, I am a he

Yep, this is what I'm talking about.  You need to put your vote where your moneys at man.

Silly Cheddarius, only guys have female animu characters for their avatars.

Active lurking, even if it's true.

Looking for scumtells, them pointing them out often makes scum very nervous.

Unvote. I'm not going to scare a new forum member away by tunneling you on day 1, even if you are scum.

Cheddarius, you seem intent on not doing things that would make you look like scum. Survivalism is a scum trait. Why aren't you scum hunting?

Vote hopping, or avoiding the tunnel?  You decide.

[Cthulhu]

Active lurking?

Uh.

theevilmonk

Where were you on the day of today, evilmonk?

[ToonyMan]

Sorry.

Active lurking is when you post, but don't play.  It's usually a mild offense unless you're like that ALL THE TIME.

ie Org

[Cheddarius]

Cheddarius, you seem intent on not doing things that would make you look like scum. Survivalism is a scum trait. Why aren't you scum hunting?

Sssurvivalisssm may be a ssscum trait. However, it's alssso a player trait (not counting Jessster). I'm not going to try to help you guysss win if it meansss I'm going to die, dude. I merely voiced my opinionsss; I'm trying to help, but not if it meansss you're going to lynch me.
And I'm not ssscumhunting because this is my firssst game. I didn't remember I was sssupposssed to. Now that you asssk me, though, I will, even if I don't really think I'll be able to tell if sssomeone'sss ssscum by sssuch a quessstion.
Well then, theevilmonk, why do you think Nidorinos are awesome?