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[GlyphGryph]

The day is now over, no more posts. There were no requests to extend, so the lynch will happen... now!

[GlyphGryph]

Another day, another fight. Ans still there is no consensus. As the artifical sun dims, a wave of foreboding passes over the assembled pokemon as they argue and bicker. Still, no consensus is reached, and no lynch occurs.

There has been a tie! No one is lynched. The second day has ended.

Siquo(3) - Nirur Torir, RandomNumberGenerator, Cheddarious
Cheddarious(3) - Alsark, MagmaDeath, Spitfire
RandomNumberGenerator(1) - Siquo

Not voting: theevilmonk

Night Roles, send me your actions!

If anyone thinks I made a mistake with tallying or just comment, let me know via pm.

I'll be honest though, things are not looking good for town.

[GlyphGryph]

The dawn breaks to a terrible sight - in the night, as before, a pokemon has fallen. Siquo, the noble growlithe, lies on the ground bleeding heavily. His eyes are clouded, his breathing labored. As the others rush to help, he casts one final look at them, as if to say he was sorry, and then he slips away. Within moments, his body starts to disintrigate, leaving nothing but bright green grass with spots of blood that sparkle in the light like some macabre morning dew. Soon, even those fade. The Growlithe's resources have been reallocated - he is no more.

The remaining pokemon look to each other sadly - for days they have bickered and argued while the shadows strike indiscriminately, and it has cost them far too much. Who will be the next to fall?

Siquo, townie Growlithe, has been killed in the night!

It is now a new day!
The day ends Sunday night, at 11pm EST

[ToonyMan]

Will you look at that.

You guys, definitely put pressure on the guys that MADE YOU GUYS NO LYNCH AGAIN.

[Alsark]

Frankly, I am extremely, extremely surprised that they killed Siquo. Why would the mafia kill the person that 50% of people wanted to lynch? I can think of one of two things... they WANT us to lynch Cheddarius, our second target, or they want to set-up the people who voted for Siquo as mafia.

My strategy for today will significantly depend on how many mafia are left. We either have a mislynch (and, for once, should use it) or we're at MYLO and should, regrettably, no lynch again. Was the number of starting mafia stated, or do we have no way of knowing this? I know that the ratio is mentioned in some rounds, and I remember somebody else bringing it up, but I think it was another player. So can we be told how many mafia there were to start?

[spitfire684]

We can't really keep doing no lynches... although it does give us a better idea about who the mafia could be.. now that the suspected squio is clear

[Alsark]

Actually, even if we are at MYLO I think now would be a good time for the cop to out every report he has. We don't know if there is a doctor role in this game or not since the beginning post said that any of those roles MIGHT appear in the game. However, the cop should out what he has and then, if there is a doctor, the doctor should protect the cop.

As the nights dwindle on the chances of the cop getting killed gets higher and higher. We cannot risk losing the cop and being left without evidence; that is why the cop should probably go ahead and out his reports now. Keep in mind that innocent reports are do not necessarily create clears because of the presence of the godfather role. It will at least help us in trying to identify the non-godfather(s), however.

[Cheddarius]

Maaaan I thought Siq was pretty scummy.

[Cheddarius]

All right. I also have some questions/comments:
MYLO means one person away from LYLO, LYnch or LOse, right? For example, 3 people and one mafia? So that if you mislynch you die but if you wait you have one more turn?
The number of mafia was not mentioned in the intro post. Mod, are we allowed to know the number of starting mafia? If so, how many?
I think we should have a vote on whether the cop should claim, unless the cop is dead. Hey, what if the cop was already killed (we don't know the roles, just the alignment, when they flip, right?) and a scum claims? That would be disastrous. What can we do to prevent this?
Should we look into the people who were killed and who they suspected? They are clear, so although their suspicions could easily be wrong, at least we know that they weren't "suspecting" someone to try to kill town, right? Also, they could have been killed for their suspicions.

[ToonyMan]

There is 2 mafia.
With two dead that makes 7/9 people alive.
2 being scum.  That means 5 are town.
Town may mislynch one more time before lylo happens.  With 2 mafia and 3 town being alive.

After this game imma quit trying to play and understand Mafia, im just not good at remembering what has happened and analyzing peoples behaviours and should just quit trying.

either way unvote

Bytheway, this is the tie-causing vote.


Having the cop come out is a gamble.  To me, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT RISK.  Wait until lylo, which is the next day.

[Cheddarius]

Town may mislynch one more time before lylo happens.

Wait until lylo, which is the next day.

I love how you assume we'll mislynch today. Have you no faith in us?

Also, let's look at the pros and cons of that in a bit...

[ToonyMan]

I'm sorry, I haven't seen anyone lynched yet.  IT'S DAY 3.

[Cheddarius]

If the cop claims, we will have two reports, yes? One from night 1 and one from night 2.
If (this is a big if) the scum have no idea who the cop is, we have a 1/5 chance of cop dying.
If cop claims today, we get a 100% chance (obviously) of 2 reports, and maybe a 0 or very low chance of any more.
If cop claims tomorrow, we have an 80% chance (remember, the big if) of 3 reports, and a 20% chance of 0 reports - that gives us 2.4 reports on average. So we risk a mere fifth chance of death for a 50% increase in report volume.
Also remember that reports are worth a bit more now, since we have a decent 2/7th chance of scumfind instead of a worse 2/9th chance at the beginning. And it does depend greatly on the reports that the cop already has. Clearly if the cop has two scum reports and has not waken up yet or whatnot, CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM. But if the cop has two pretty sucky town reports (worth even less because there's a godfather), I think we should wait.

One useful thing would be to find out the relative values of scum and town reports. How useful are scum reports compared to town reports (in times more useful)? People who have played more games or are experienced or whatnot, I beseech thee to answer. Also mods if that's allowed.

Also, Toony. If we do lynch, we have at least a 2/7 chance of getting a scum, so I mean we have a decent chance of not mislynching. And if we nolynch, well of course we won't mislynch so it won't be lylo.

[ToonyMan]

Just remember not to lynch on probability, but if the person is scum.

Also, the Siquo nightkill is what we call WIFOM.  Please do not fall for it.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

Really? They killed Siquo? What's up with that... Oh well, I guess I was wrong about him.

Anyway, despite casting the tie-making unvote, I don't see theevilmonk as scum. He just doesn't strike me that way... rather, more like town that played into the scum's hands. I'm more interested in MagmaDeath, who voted for Siquo day 1 and Cheddarius day 2.

Something you said Cheddarius caught my attention however...

(worth even less because there's a godfather)

How do you know there is a godfather? All the listed roles are possible roles, which does not mean they will be in the game. After all, there was no roleblocker or doctor in BM5, which I played in. That means, to know the scum's roles... you would have to be scum.