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[Alsark]

True, but even then, no lynch is better than a mislynch. And if I am 100% sure that a lynch is going to be a mislynch, I might as well block it.
A mislynch is helping scum. Mislynching ten times will lose town the game. I just bought everyone an extra turn.

I disagree. If we have two mislynches they should DEFINITELY be used unless there is a role available that we are afraid of hitting. So honestly, unless you are a role, you shouldn't have saved yourself because you wasted our mislynch - and seeing as how you might end up getting lynched anyway (judging from the votes), we would have basically spent two lynches on you. This is why blocking a lynch does no good. Even if you know you're town (or not town), we have no idea what you are, and will thus proceed to use a lynch on you for the same reasons that were used previously.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

Evasiveness? Turning when attacked? Sure you're not thinking of yourself? I believe that's what you've been doing Siquo. Right before the vote you switched to Cheddarius, who had more votes than I did. Now that we have more time again, you're back onto me, without any reason.

My voteswitch was logical, it saved the town from hanging an innocent. Don't worrry, Cheddarius is still on my list, and countering with 'no, you must be scum!' is a scummy defense.

So you voted for another person to save your own hide? That seems like a very scummy thing to do. As mentioned earlier several times in the thread, the goal of the town isn't to survive; it's to hunt scum. If you really are innocent, then your death would have proved it, but instead you risked lynching another. Siquo, you've made several bad choices in this game; this last one was your worst.

[Siquo]

Yes, RNG, I know you'd really like me to go away, since I'm the only one who is on to you

Alsark, Toonyman, your logic eludes me. Killing townsmen helps the town? I insist my life is worth so much because scum wins as soon as they outnumber town, so every towny is valuable. Especially those you know 100% to be town. Of that fact I can only be certain of one person right now.

Really, now EVERYONE sounds like scum to me. I don't think I'll ever get this game. Go ahead, sue lynch me.

[ToonyMan]

Alsark, Toonyman, your logic eludes me. Killing townsmen helps the town? I insist my life is worth so much because scum wins as soon as they outnumber town, so every towny is valuable. Especially those you know 100% to be town. Of that fact I can only be certain of one person right now.

Oh ho ho, see what you are doing?  "Killing townsmen helps the town?"  You see this?  This a wrong wrong wrong.  First off, you are doing a straw man (never used the term, but I think it fits here), you are saying we WILL lynch a townie, but this is not true!  Town can only kill people with a majority lynch, if they don't use it, that is an Automatic lose.  Also, I'm not a player.  :V

Really, now EVERYONE sounds like scum to me. I don't think I'll ever get this game. Go ahead, sue lynch me.

Paranoia, yes.  Telling people to lynch you, no.

[Siquo]

First off, you are doing a straw man (never used the term, but I think it fits here), you are saying we WILL lynch a townie, but this is not true!  Town can only kill people with a majority lynch, if they don't use it, that is an Automatic lose.  Also, I'm not a player.  :V

I'm saying they WOULD have lynched a townie. How does lynching real innocent townies lead to an automatic lose? Now, one real towny is dead, so scum gains one point. Otherwise, two would be dead, and scum gains two points.

I'm telling them to lynch me (in other words: stick it somewhere) because I cannot come up with anything to defend myself anymore, I'm just going to go after scum again. See, even non-players seem scum to me now! 

RNG: as to my bad choices, I'm still a beginner, trying to get into the game. Now it's up to you to decide whether my bad decisions were beginners mistakes, or... REAL SCUMTELLS! Was that a WIFOM again? Sorry, there's no avoiding them here.

I know now what to do: Don't post here at all, keep your mouth shut, follow one of the first people that vote randomly, and keep a low profile, as that is what the majority seems to do.

[ToonyMan]

The day town can win by no-lynching is the day I don't even know

[Alsark]

Yes, RNG, I know you'd really like me to go away, since I'm the only one who is on to you

Alsark, Toonyman, your logic eludes me. Killing townsmen helps the town? I insist my life is worth so much because scum wins as soon as they outnumber town, so every towny is valuable. Especially those you know 100% to be town. Of that fact I can only be certain of one person right now.

Really, now EVERYONE sounds like scum to me. I don't think I'll ever get this game. Go ahead, sue lynch me.

Allow me, then, to describe my logic.

1) We begin the game with two mislynches. In other words, we are given two chances of failure.
2) It is imperative that we utilize these "chances of failure" to help us find the mafia.
3) By wasting one of our chances, you have decreased our chances of successfully finding mafia.
4) Where your logic is flawed is that you are not looking at things from OUR position. WE do not know what your affiliation is. You seem scummy, so wasting our mislynch is a bad idea when you'll just end up getting voted for again.
5) Losing a vanilla townie is, frankly, a good thing. It eliminates one suspect from our list. So if you had just let yourself be lynched, assuming you are vanilla, we would have been better off because you'd no longer be a suspect and we'd be in no worse of a position than we are now (we would have lost a mislynch either way).
6) The ONLY reason you SHOULD have done that is if you're mafia or a power role. If you're a vanilla townie then you have significantly done the town an injustice.

Now let me explain it to you mathematically.

Day #Maf/#Town (Assuming we lynched you during the day and assuming mislynches)
Start: 2/7
Day 1: 2/6 <-- Town still alive, lynch used
Night 1: 2/5
Day 2: 2/4 <-- Town still alive, lynch used
Night 2: 2/3
Day 2: 2/2 <-- Game-determining lynch, lynch used

Now let me show you the situation you put us in:

Day #Maf/#Town (Assuming we lynched you during the day and assuming mislynches)
Start: 2/7
Day 1: 2/7 <-- Town still alive, lynch NOT used
Night 1: 2/6
Day 2: 2/5 <-- Town still alive, lynch used
Night 2: 2/4
Day 2: 2/3 <-- Game determining lynch, lynch used
Night 3: 2/2

I understand that's probably a bit confusing. What I mean is AFTER the day I have labeled that is how much town and mafia we'll have. So in the first chart, had you let yourself be lynched, and if you are town, we'd have 2 mafia and 6 town left after day 1. Each other day assumes we lynch incorrectly (which hopefully wouldn't be the case). Also, those charts are assuming there are 2 mafia (I think I heard somebody else say that), though a 1:3 ratio is not at all unusual, so it's a possibility (in which case a no lynch isn't a big deal because we only have one mislynch to use anyway and have room for one no lynch).

Now you can see for yourself what I mean. In the first chart we get to lynch three times, two of which are "chances of failure". In the second chart, which is what you have forced us into, we get to lynch only three times, with only one "chance of failure". So can you see why I am saying what you've done is bad if you're a vanilla townie?

Anyway, as scummy as you may be, my gut is still leaning towards Cheddarius, and thus, that is where my vote shall stay (unless I need to switch for a tie).

[Siquo]

Now you can see for yourself what I mean. In the first chart we get to lynch three times, two of which are "chances of failure". In the second chart, which is what you have forced us into, we get to lynch only three times, with only one "chance of failure". So can you see why I am saying what you've done is bad if you're a vanilla townie?

Well, only for everyone who still believes me to be scum. Really, right now you could pretend you have had a mislynch, and killed an innocent townie.
Where would that put you? Still in the same position, except that you now have a fellow townie you can trust.

Now then, what would happen with No-Lynches? Allow me to describe MY logic:

No lynches:
Day #Maf/#Town (Assuming one mislynch)
Start: 2/7
Day 1: 2/7 <-- Town still alive, lynch NOT used
Night 1: 2/6
Day 2: 2/6 <-- Town still alive, lynch NOT used (<-- You Are Here)
Night 2: 2/5
Day 3: 2/5 <-- Town still alive, lynch NOT used
Night 3: 2/4
Day 4: 2/4 <-- Town still alive, lynch NOT used
Night 4: 2/3
Day 5: 2/2 <-- Town still alive, game-determining lynch used

5 days to find out who's scum, instead of three... With the same chances. AFAIK, your logic is only helping scum. Like Toonyman, who is a scum-helping IC. Because I still haven't been told what an IC is. An IC is someone mixing in the conversation, confusing people, and berating people, secretly on the behalf of one of the two sides, to increase the amount of confusion already present.

[ToonyMan]

So you want to no-lynch until lylo?
And with two scum!

D:

That's crazy man.

[Alsark]

Keep in mind that evidence is often gained by looking at how people reacted to lynch suspects. If nobody is ever lynched, we have no evidence to gain. You can only do so much by seeing how people react with no lynches occurring. Of course, we can hope that the cop finds evidence, but if the cop is either roleblocked or killed then that ends that hope.

[ToonyMan]

If you no-lynch everyday scum will be able to hide so easily!  It would be so easy!  They just vote no-lynch then everybody does nothing until lylo.

This is only except-able in games like One-Lynch Mafia and such.

[GlyphGryph]

FYI, as IC, ToonyMan is an experienced player with several games and likely a few wins under his belt, serving primarily an advisory role. Specifically, he is the town IC - his job is foremost to help the players learn what they need to do and how they need to act to be succesful town-players and scumhunters. Vector is the mafia IC and posts in the mafia chat with advice for the scum players - which everyone will be able to see and learn from when the game ends.

Both players, however, are ultimately neutral - their goal is to help you learn and offer advice and make better players, and to that end vector may occasionally pop in to offer advice to the town even if hes technically supposed to be helping the scum. Scum can learn a lot from the town IC, and town can learn a lot from the scum IC - especially since you'll likely have a different role next game.

Dakarian will post primarily as a town IC, but mostly he's a personal IC for myself, since this is the first game that I've run.

All three of them have been around for a while - their advice might not always be perfect, they may not always be right even, but they speak from experience and at the very least demonstrate how other more experienced players view your actions. They are a resource, and are there to help you - don't be afraid to use them, to ask them questions, etc.

Remember that they are also the only ones you are allowed to Private Message (assuming you copy me in as well) if you have some question you want answered, but think it would look scummy to post it in the thread for example.

[Siquo]

Thank you for the clarification.

[Nirur Torir]

Siquo, your logic assumes that we have a very limited time in which to talk. We have as much time as we need. So long as we continue talking, we can make extension requests.

Voting is very important, even though an innocent townie is very likely to be lynched day 1. Town needs to watch WHO votes who, WHY they vote, and watch for bandwagoning.

Siquo, I still don't think your logic holds up. It's lethal for the town, but great for the scum. However, since you seem to think you can ID scum easily enough, please go through the player list, and explain how you feel about each person (Scum/town).

[MagmaDeath]

Siquo, you are either HORRIBLE at mafia, or scum.

By blocking a lynch on yourself, Even if you ARE town you've spread so much WIFOM, we will be forced to lynch you eventualy, so you basically just threw a townie away to keep yourself alive. Why would you do this, Scummy.
But eh, I feel that he is just stupid town, Though I still want to get rid of him.
Cheddirus, Get in here and answer the questions.