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[dakarian]

It is now day.

Mephansteras, Townie, has been killed in the night.

Survivors:

Leafsnail
Zai
Pandarsenic
Eduren
dirtybirdy

Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST.

[Leafsnail]

It is official.

Hell has frozen over.

We've actually lynched a mafia member, in a (basically) mountainous game, before lylo.

Now, I was away for most of the end of the day, so I'll need a but of time to read back through the thread.  To start off with, though, dirtybirdy, why did you ignore Janus yesterday while attacking Zai for the same thing?  Who do you think is our final mafia member?  Similarly, Janus seemed to ignore you, for the most part.  Why do you think he did this?

[Pandarsenic]

I told you ALL it was Janus, day1, and you didn't believe me.

My wintuition, guys. You must listen to it.

[Zai]

I laughed so hard at Janus's last post the other night. He should have just stopped talking; I might have left my vote on DB if he had and we would both still be alive. He killed himself by continually pushing the one person whose vote could change (Leaf was gone, Pandar was sticking to his guns, Meph was idling on Janus, and everybody else was voting me).

Ugh. I would have reckoned that the remaining scum would be in the people voting me, because if they were voting Janus, they could have easily switched to me to ensure their fellow scum didn't die. But Pandar and Leafsnail were gone for much of yesterday, so Leaf might not have been able to get on in time, and Pandar might have...been Pandar and just use the time to brag about being right. This leaves me with 4 subjects of interest, but that's everybody that's left that isn't me. =/

I'll look back through for things on each of you before I back up a vote because I'm really not too sure right now; Janus was the only one who really stuck out to me when I looked back yesterday. In the meantime, Eduren and DB need to talk, and Pandar needs to say something useful.

[Mephansteras]

Aaaaarrrrgggggg....


Oooh, ice skates!

[Pandarsenic]

Actually, I was on for most of yesterday.

And really, the only person I've pushed this whole game was Janus. What the hell kind of scum would obfuscate by immediately bussing his partner? That's more kinds of retarded than I can count. I know I'm creative scum but jeopardizing my team in a way that absolutely retarded is just wasteful. I know, WIFOM, but the point stands.

If we have 5p with 1 scum, we could use our Free Lynch to exam the odd interactions between Janus and dirtybirdy, but really I need to go over the whole game and how Janus and the rest of the players interacted.

[Zai]

Okay.

Eduren is the last scum.

This post here seems rather fine and normal if you mentally replace "tomorrow" with "yesterday." Only one thing is off: he says to give him a second to let him get his reads, but then he  never does, or at least never posts them.
Web votes Eduren for whatever reason here, not explaining why as per usual.
I use sarcasm in this post here because Web really needs to start explaining his votes like he used to way back when.
We go back and forth in these posts right along here.
Then eduren pops in here asking why I won't vote him.
The only thing I could think of that he could be talking about is why I won't vote him, but since it didn't make sense why he would want me to vote him, I ask him here what he means and Leafsnail does similar here.
Then Web makes a post here saying Eduren gave me reason to vote him and I didn't pick up on it but then he himself...immediately changes his vote. (Once again, why the fuck would I give any credence to what Web says to do when he doesn't give any reasons and oftentimes changes his vote without giving reasons?)
Then here eduren requests an extension without saying anything else.
-Day 1 ends, Day 2 begins-
Eduren votes me here for...not voting him the Day before.

But...why the focus on only me just for this? The only other people to vote him were Web and Janus, and Janus's vote was a random vote from scum and he later changed his vote. Web's was unexplained and he also later changed his vote. What about everyone else, Eduren? Why am I the only you picked? Because I was the only one you could get a quote from "saying" that I wouldn't vote you? As I said in this post here, I never said I wouldn't consider Eduren. I just didn't mention that when considering voting for him, I didn't consider him scummier than Dorf or DB, which should have been quite obvious considering I was still voting DB and I was arguing with Dorf. And what made you so sure you were so suspicious to begin with? All you did for the most part is extreme-lurk and...want people to vote for you, if we can believe that.

My theory: Eduren is scum. He's legitimately gone for a while, and when he gets back, he says he's going to get his reads. Failing that, he concocts on Day 1 a plan to continue lurking and hope he doesn't get lynched for it. Web votes him and he takes notice. I sarcastically say that I'll be sure to [vote for eduren]. Web and e both take notice and e asks why I won't vote for him. I then change my vote and Web changes his. Then day ends, we lynch Dorf. That night, I think you killed Web because then a quote out of context from him would seem oh so much more credible than if he was alive due to us being able to trust a dead townie but not a live one. Then Eduren goes after me as soon as Day 2 starts because I "was way too cautious" because I didn't "take [either him or Web] seriously". And continues to go after me. While nobody else went after e either. But that doesn't matter, because he's scum and can go after a single person for something everybody did or did not do!

While convoluted, I think it's good. I'm at least right about eduren being scum. There is no way he's so stupid as town to tunnelvision over something so trivial.

So eduren. Who are you voting for on this day of days?

Pandar, vote. DB, talk. And vote.

[Eduren]

Dirtybirdy.

Why? Because Zai, Pandar, and Leafsnail quarreled too much with Janus. Sure they could have been faking it, but there are clear indications that those three were not in collusion with Janus. By process of elimination, that leaves DB and I. Since I know my innocence, logic only leaves DB as my prime suspect.

Of course, that won't be enough to prove I'm right, so I have to prove that he is the scummier of us. But I am going to bed, so that will have to be in the morning.

DirtyBirdy: Who is the last scum?

[dirtybirdy]

It is official.

Hell has frozen over.

We've actually lynched a mafia member, in a (basically) mountainous game, before lylo.

Now, I was away for most of the end of the day, so I'll need a but of time to read back through the thread.  To start off with, though, dirtybirdy, why did you ignore Janus yesterday while attacking Zai for the same thing?  Who do you think is our final mafia member?  Similarly, Janus seemed to ignore you, for the most part.  Why do you think he did this?

I have to admit it is quite impressive that we've managed to locate a scum member before lylo.  I take it must be a rare occurence? Welcome back leafsnail.  I see you're off to a spicy start.  hehe.  As for your comment about Janus, I wasn't ignoring him.  I already addressed this accusation with Zai earlier who alleged that I was ignoring Janus.  I didn't ignore him, I just didn't find his comments worth noting.  It appeared in my eyes that he was making a sly comment about me being new. I just took it as a bay12 mafia thing about going after newbies. (shrugs) I was focused on Zai earlier for other reasons. 

Spoiler:  Previous explanation in detail here for leafsnail (click to show/hide)

Simplified for your leisure: Just to reiterate... I'm voting Zai because...

1.  of the way he tip toed around answering Eduren legitimate claim

2. you acting in a cloud of confusion by merely laughing off his comments for a couple of days when reconfronted

3. suggesting a no lynch b/c I think it's a bad town move (personally) don't know about all that statistic stuff

4. suggesting in so many words of me being offed in the night (or could this be WIFOM?)

other notes:  don't know why you think I haven't explained myself...which I have. But I'll repeat as I see fit. Which this post is basically another repeat. 

my comment about whatever scum bag was not an avoidance of anything.  It was in response to you saying that I was more confused than you.  Well... I'm NOT confused just simply dealing with the differences of real life mafia versus online mafia.

As for Janus, I didn't see anything to respond to. He seems to say that I am the focus of suspicion because I'm New? that's odd.  To me that's typical bay 12 mafia... go after the newbie. (big surprise)

As for why do I think Janus seemed to ignore me. I dunno perhaps you should ask Janus. I don't know him like that to know his motives.  But anyway.... as for who is  the last mafia member I need more time to catch up on my readings now that we know Janus is confirmed scum . So to be continued....

[Eduren]

Dirty. You haven't really done much this game. Many of your posts have been devoid of content and the only time that you tried to go after somebody(Zai), you parroted other peoples suspicions. Not only that, you never applied any pressure. You never asked him to explain his actions or give his thoughts. You have frequently been cautious and have been playing the newbie card way too often.

If that was just it, I would accept the newbie explanation. But this, plus a possible connection to Janus, makes you my guy.

[Leafsnail]

If I'm honest... I don't think Zai can be scum.  I know scum members can bus each other, but his vote was the final, critical, "hammer" vote.  Similarly, Pandarsenic had a chance to stop Janus's lynch (here) although he would have looked far scummier doing this, so he isn't quite as town as Zai in my eyes.  Then again, Pandarsenic did spend the whole of the first two days attached to Janus like a limpet...

So, I reckon that, to most intents and purposes, one of Eduren and Dirtybirdy is scum.  Personally... I think they both seem pretty scummy.   However, dirtybirdy completely ignored Janus yesterday, and also wrote a purely self defensive post today.

[dirtybirdy]

Well I have had a moment to go back
and do my own analysis. As far as
I can conclude, I'm sticking with
my original claim that Zai is scum.
In hindsight, when I go back to look
at who had ties with Janus (confirmed scum)...it points back to Zai.

For instance, when there was a 2 way
tie between Zai and Janus...zai had
the option to seal the deal by simply voting on Janus at that point.  However, rather than moving forward to avoid a sticky situation of a no-lynch (anti-town in my book)...he opted to vote for a completely different person... me (dirtybirdy). 

I speculate that this was done as to not wanting to place the final vote on his own scum buddy.  Furthermore...one of his posts varifies that he is perfectly fine with a no lynch. (another anti-town move). Hence my vote remains with Zai.

[Zai]

lulwut

Had I been on a scumteam with Janus, with both of us up for the lynch yesterday, tied, I could have just as easily forced a no lynch. But instead, going by what I did, I guaranteed a lynch on my team. I could have gone back and concluded Eduren was scum, as I have today, or even just left my vote on you DB, leaving us to start the day today with 4 town and 2 scum today instead of the 4t:1s. 4:2 is 2 days of lylo. Assuming another mislynch in both situations, we would be down to 2t:2s against 2t:1s. 2:2 is done; scum wins due to vote ties and NK. 2:1 is lylo and town has a 50% chance of voting for scum (nobody's going to vote for themselves ; this is the highest chance we can get to without a CT). Assuming we found scum in the hypothetical situation (No Lynch) and mislynched in the current, we'd be down to 2:1 in both situations.

I effectively brought us a better chance for town to win, my friend, which would be EXTREMELY contrary to my goal as scum. In case you can't tell the difference: I brought us a regular day and then lylo if mislynch instead of 2 days of straight up lylo: 2/5 chance of voting scum 1st day and you HAVE TO and then 1/2 chance of voting scum next day and you HAVE TO. Today we have 1/4 chance of voting scum, and if we mislynch, we go up to 1/2 chance and we HAVE TO.

Not to say that today does not matter; we need to hit scum today or tomorrow. It just doesn't matter as much as if I had forced a no lynch and 2 days of lylo.

Really, is that all you can muster up against me? Me "being fine with a no lynch" (which I was in control of; that's the funny part) and me originally not voting for Janus? You didn't vote for Janus. Does that mean you're scum?

Also, I like how you say you went back to look at who had ties with Janus, when you've specifically avoided doing just that by lurking. And voting who he votes (or says is suspicious, in the case of Dorf). Isn't that more of a "tie" than...killing him? o,0

But really? You actually think Janus and I, on a scum team together...would vote each other, guaranteeing one of our's death? We'd probably have made a No Lynch to force the 2 days of lylo by finishing the day without me changing to Janus. Could you please explain to me, DB, why it would be necessary for one of us to die instead of for a NL (which would have increased our odds to win today immensely)?

And Pandar needs to get his ass in here.

If DB doesn't reply to all of this, he's scum and I'll be changing my vote and it'll be good game all.

[Leafsnail]

DirtyBirdy, that is, quite frankly, pathetic.  Yes, Zai might've allowed a No Lynch, but you were also allowing one, and, what's more, you were shielding a member of the scumteam with your vote.

I think I know why he was voting you instead of Janus for so long.  Because you, DirtyBirdy, were and are the partner to the late JanusTwoFace.

[dakarian]

Current Vote Count:

Eduren[1]: Zai
dirtybirdy[2]: Eduren, Leafsnail
Zai[1]: dirtybirdy

Not Voting: Pandarsenic

Deadline: Tuesday, 9pm EST