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Author Topic: Near-Mountainous Mafia: End: KISS me goodbye.  (Read 36255 times)

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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #120 on: December 29, 2009, 11:52:24 pm »

Another pre-emptive extension request.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2009, 11:55:45 pm »

Mainly dirtybirdy and Janus. Dirtybirdy because of reasons I think I've already said (? I'll check what I said Day 1 about him tomorrow), but I may just be getting a similar "newbie scum" vibe to what I got with Dorf, and we all know how that ended. Janus because I never trust him when he's trying to be useful; he did that in a couple of games as scum, the only specific one I can remember being the first Vote Mafia. I don't recall about what he did Day 1, but today he spread vague accusations until he noticed a firm bandwagon forming close to the end of the day, and promptly jumped on it.

More content tomorrow if I'm not dead yet. [PPE:] And I won't be dead yet. But I need sleep; my brain's already slowing down.

Oh. And for the record (just noticed dirtybirdy said he/she in reference to me), I'm a guy. Says so in my profile, so it must be so!

[PPE2:] lulwut Pandar. Trying to get a "full day" in now that the lull in activity has ended?
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #122 on: December 30, 2009, 12:16:04 am »

Better than not having a day. I mean, shit, I just got back.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #123 on: December 30, 2009, 04:44:47 pm »

dak, what is the current deadline?
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #124 on: December 30, 2009, 05:55:33 pm »

Tonight at 11 PM EST is the deadline right now, Meph. And I believe the current vote count is me tied with Janus for the lynch.

I will hopefully be able to do things later; I'm about to leave for the next few hours, so now isn't an opportune time to start reviewing stuff. I'll vote later; I'm fine with a no lynch if I don't get back in time, if that's what happens with ties.

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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #125 on: December 30, 2009, 07:04:27 pm »

If you have suspicions as town, you better fucking well tell 'em before you get offed in the night.


Kinda bold to put your business of who you're going to off in the night scum.  But anyway, I do have 2 people in mind as scum with you at the top of the list.  Often times, I think people get caught up in making scum teams myself included. I should just focus on a main target.  so I choose you because you're oozing with scummyness.  The other person is Leafsnail, but it's only a gut feeling.

Also, when reconfronted with this...umm.. all that was done was a "cloud of confusion" which I think is another scum tell. So, in conclusion... I vote for Zai.
I have no idea what you mean by a "cloud of confusion," but I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit.  There's a few things in this game you could call me scum for, but that's not one of 'em. You're acting more confused than I have.

yeah whatever scum bag. I'm not confused, just new. It's different not impossible.

 
Also, I don't think it's a good move for a no lynch.  We've got to figure something out. Doesn't a no lynch hurt our chances of defeating scum?


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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #126 on: December 30, 2009, 07:23:38 pm »

Exactly what I expected...

Since the extension:
- 3 meta posts (2 from Pandarsenic, 1 from Mephansteras)
- 2 posts from Zai attacking me
- 1 not terribly useful post from DirtyBirdy
- Nothing from Leafsnail (pre-arranged) or Eduren (not so much)

Spoiler: More comments on Zai (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: About the quickwagon (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Response to DirtyBirdy (click to show/hide)

Please read the spoilers.  I mainly put them there to keep my posts from Wall of Texting, not so that they would be skipped.

Basically, the main question is: lynch or no-lynch today?  See the third spoiler for the numbers game.  Could someone double check that?

Right now, it looks like we have a tied vote.  I think in Dakarian's games this means a no-lynch.

Dakarian, could you confirm this?

I am in favor of either a Zai lynch or (failing that) a no-lynch.  Since the current votes point towards a no-lynch, my vote stands.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #127 on: December 30, 2009, 08:54:43 pm »

NL is not a good idea but it's better than quicklynching a townie.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #128 on: December 30, 2009, 09:01:45 pm »

This is exactly your problem Zai.  This is the second time this game you've promised to post tomorrow (and there is a third one after that), and you have yet to deliver without being prodded into action by a potential lynch.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

I never promised jack squat. Stop saying I did Janus. I said "Tomorrow, maybe" in response to you asking if I had anything to say. And if you'll notice in past games as well, I (almost?) never come through on my promises. It's nothing new, silly scum. Indeed, the only time I can remember even partially coming through on a promise was in Bay 12 Mafia, where I did that ridiculously long "summary" as scum. However, I don't take kindly to people saying that I said things after I already explained that I didn't and that person already admitted that I didn't, Janus.

I'm fairly certain at this point that Janus and Dirtybirdy are the two scum. DB refused to explain something he used as a point against me with a "wutevr scumbag lol i don't explain wut i say becuz i try 2 act like web but fail misrbaly". DB needs to do something useful rather than just say lol u scum. Oh wait. Looking back at his last post, I see he failed at using the quote function.

For the record this is what I am referring to:

If you have suspicions as town, you better fucking well tell 'em before you get offed in the night.


Kinda bold to put your business of who you're going to off in the night scum.  But anyway, I do have 2 people in mind as scum with you at the top of the list.  Often times, I think people get caught up in making scum teams myself included. I should just focus on a main target.  so I choose you because you're oozing with scummyness.  The other person is Leafsnail, but it's only a gut feeling.

How did I know you would (effectively) say that I was threatening you? That's just stupid, dude. First, at the point of this quote, I'm going to be lynched, so how could I be in control of who my nonexistant remaining partner would kill? Second, if you don't say something that you should as town(such as your known role in a closed setup, like in Vote Mafia, or who you think is suspicious), the mafia will likely move you further up to the top of their list on who to kill. Third, not saying who you think is Mafia is inherently anti-town, as you're withholding what should be useful information for the town (but in your case, DB, you just vote for someone and say "i tink dis is scummy lol"; explaining why, possibly the most important part, is obviously not something you are capable of).

If I'm "oozing" with scumminess, then why do you only use 2 points, one of which is using a term that you didn't explain and refuse to?

Wait. I think DB just slipped as newbie scum. Me and Janus both referred to him as acting confused. Me and Janus are both up for the lynch. But DB only replied to me about it, calling me a scumbag for it. If I'm a scumbag for saying that, why isn't Janus? Why am I the only one getting "attention" from DB? Why does DB ignore Janus? Is it because they're both scum, so DB, being the newbie that he is, ignores his scumbuddy's comments, focusing instead on ? Or is he simply tunnelvisioning?

Regardless, DB. If you're going to be attacking people, you better fucking be willing to debate about it, especially when town is all vanilla with no power roles. Right now you're just saying 'SCUMBAG LOLOLOLOL" and refuse to explain anything. If you're just going to do that, you shouldn't even be playing in this game, of all the games you could have joined. I'll admit I ignored the game for a while, but I'm at least attempting to counter points now. You better too. Not explaining is anti-town. Right now you're just helping the mafia. You just say "i tink dis is scummy." As I've said in previous posts, explain why.

It is for all of this that I vote for dirtybirdy.

And for the record, this was typed up before looking back through the game; I just got on and saw what new things had been said. I'll hopefully be able to look through now that I'm back home.

[PPE:] Wait a second.

Since the extension:
- 2 posts from Zai attacking me

What? Where is this elusive second post? I made 3 posts, but in only one of them did I "attack" you ("s because I was simply stating who I thought was scum; I didn't even vote because I had another day to look over and decide). However, I did "attack" DB in 2 of those posts. Are you confusing your scum buddy with yourself now, Janus?
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #129 on: December 30, 2009, 09:43:34 pm »

Simplified for your leisure: Just to reiterate... I'm voting Zai because...

1.  of the way he tip toed around answering Eduren legitimate claim

2. you acting in a cloud of confusion by merely laughing off his comments for a couple of days when reconfronted

3. suggesting a no lynch b/c I think it's a bad town move (personally) don't know about all that statistic stuff

4. suggesting in so many words of me being offed in the night (or could this be WIFOM?)

other notes:  don't know why you think I haven't explained myself...which I have. But I'll repeat as I see fit. Which this post is basically another repeat. 

my comment about whatever scum bag was not an avoidance of anything.  It was in response to you saying that I was more confused than you.  Well... I'm NOT confused just simply dealing with the differences of real life mafia versus online mafia.

As for Janus, I didn't see anything to respond to. He seems to say that I am the focus of suspicion because I'm New? that's odd.  To me that's typical bay 12 mafia... go after the newbie. (big surprise)
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #130 on: December 30, 2009, 10:07:27 pm »

Current Vote Count:
Zai[3]: Eduren, dirtybirdy, JanusTwoface
JanusTwoface[3]: Leafsnail, Mephansteras, Pandarsenic
dirtybirdy[1]: Zai

Deadline: Wednesday, 11pm EST

2 more extensions needed to extend day.

Note: ties result in a no lynch.  Note that just about all games have taken that stance for some time now.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #131 on: December 30, 2009, 10:26:08 pm »

Oooookay. So. After looking back through Day 1 and 2(that was a really small amount of posts compared to BYORP and Bay 12), I notice how oddly Janus acts, so I went back through to pull out stuff I don't think fits:

Leafsnail and Janus fight. It's pretty dull stuff.
In response to Leafsnail's post here about attacking only him, Janus says here that he is doing one (an "attack") on everyone; he just did Leaf first. What's truly funny about this is that he attacked me for not following up on something I "said", when he himself didn't follow up on what he actually said. +1 strike against Janus for this (basically: being a hypocrite).
Janus votes Pandar, but fails to comment on how his vote is misrepresented in the following vote count. But this is pretty understandable.
Dorf claims Doc after half the players vote him. Janus says here that he's hesitant to lynch him because of the WIFOM surrounding Doc claiming. Then he says in the same post that a dorf lynch is preferable to him being lynched, despite the fact that there is only 1 vote on him at this time.
Day ends and Dorf dies.
Janus votes Leaf. Then in this post, he lies about me saying I would do something (adjectives and adverbs are so easy to "accidentally" skip over) and says that anyone could be scum with all the lurking.
Janus makes 3 comments here about self-preservation. He only wanted me, Mephansteras, dirtybirdy, Eduren to say who we thought were scum if it wasn't him, and he didn't want to get lynched. And then he wants to hear if Leaf or Pandar had any other suspicions besides him. He seems so concerned with self-preservation that he appears to forget about getting his own suspicions filled up. Only scum need to feel a need for such self-preservation; when they die, half their team is dead. When a townie dies, there's many more people left on their team so the loss isn't as big, and a townie can still be useful in death by telling their suspicions (coughtalkingtoyouDBcough).
Once again, Janus comments here about how he prefers people besides himself to be lynched, despite him not trying to find scum. Instead he just supports bandwagons (Dorf on the sideline and then voting me) that aren't on him.
Janus exaggerates here about me attacking him.

[PPE:] No, DB. You did not ever explain what that "cloud of confusion" was in reference to me until just now. I did not "suggest" for you to be NK'd; I was saying that you should tell who you think is scum because you might get killed before you get to the point where you see fit to tell your suspicions. But know this in the future: you should almost always tell your suspicions because you never know if or when you'll get NKed. I did not suggest a no lynch; I simply said I was fine with one occuring at that point in time. And your first and second points are pretty much one and the same. I didn't tiptoe around "answering" Eduren's "claim"; I ignored him like I ignored the game in general for a period of time while I did other things until last night.

Regardless. Unvote DB. I think the stuff between us is mainly because of misunderstanding. Janus gets my vote for now due to his lying and his reoccurring "theme" of self-preservation, which only scum need worry about. And probably more reviewing to come. Not necessarily today, though.  ;)
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #132 on: December 30, 2009, 10:30:08 pm »

Well, shit, guys. Zai is pretty much totally right. Which means my hunch on Janus was perfectly accurate. Again.

That's GG for one of the scum, I'm pretty sure.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #133 on: December 30, 2009, 11:01:39 pm »

I doubt it will be enough to change anyone's opinions, but I'll go ahead and continue my rant about Zai.

Zai, you constantly complain about how I misread your maybe.  Why that's a problem is that you're taking one annoying behavior (saying that you'll get to it later) and defending it with another (purposefully lurking).  You don't come out until someone actually gets around to push you.  Even if you are town, that's not useful townie behavior.  Even if you say maybe, it's implied in every worthless post that you make that you'll come back and do a better job or you might as well just not even by playing.

As for self preservation, why in the world would I want to get lynched, regardless of alignment?  I don't have a power role that would help the town by proving that I was telling the truth.  I want to live no matter what my role / alignment is.  If I were scum, of course I would want to live.  As it is, I know that you're making a mistake lynching me.

Oh, while I'm complaining, you (Zai) have twice come in to request an extension *after* the day was scheduled to end.  I already talked to Dakarian about this, and that's his mod style, that the day doesn't end until he posts to say it ends, but it's really annoying.  If you're going to lurk and put things off, at least be man enough to request early in the day.

Everyone's more or less lurking (until pushed).  I'm not just talking about this game, I'm talking about the whole Mafia subforum.  Every game I've been in, it's a problem.  I know it's Christmas, but this has been going on since well before Thanksgiving.  Everyone lurks until or even past the point where they are attacked.  It's kind of ridiculous.
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Re: Near-Mountainous Mafia: Day 2 - KISS me once and KISS me twice...
« Reply #134 on: December 30, 2009, 11:04:35 pm »

Final Vote Count:
Zai[3]: Eduren, dirtybirdy, JanusTwoface
JanusTwoface[4]: Leafsnail, Mephansteras, Pandarsenic, Zai


JanusTwoface, Mafioso, has been lynched.

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