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[Mr.Person]

Unvote.  I don't buy it, Vector.  I sortof understand your argument for Pandar-is-town, but I really don't get your Pandar-is-right logic.  He isn't always right; he's generally a better player at scum than town, and even the best players get things wrong.  Nor your attempt to avoid a charge of lurking - you seem to have provided a different excuse here and in Semi Bastard.

I don't believe Vector ever said that Pand was always right, but maybe I'm missing something. Please quote his post and bold that part.

[RedWarrior0]

Just a quick note: I'm going away for the weekend, so I might not be able to get up my (infrequent) votecounts or do any day actions immediately.

[Leafsnail]

If you can't read me, why do you think I'm scum?  It's not like you've been asking me any questions, is it Vector?

GAH I DON'T THINK YOU'RE PARTICULARLY SCUMMISH BLARGHITY-BLARGH!!

I think Pandarsenic is town and that he may be onto something with you two.  If I'm right and dakarian is scum, then you might well be his partner.  WHO FREAKING KNOWS?  Not me!

No, my intention is not to say "Hey, I found the scumteam~"  It's more "Hey, that dude is probably town, and as town he is often right.  However, I agree with him on this bit and don't know so much about that other bit over there."

And around that point he talks about not being able to read me and using Pandarsenic's read instead.

[Mr.Person]

I think that's just a thinly disguised OMGUS, Leafsnail.

[Leafsnail]

I think that's just a thinly disguised OMGUS, Leafsnail.

He isn't voting me, and seems to have backed away from actually attacking me.  Mr.Person - just out of interest, do you have any suspicions?  Or are you just going to occasionally jump in, attack a random person and drop out again?

[Vector]

Unvote.  I don't buy it, Vector.  I sortof understand your argument for Pandar-is-town, but I really don't get your Pandar-is-right logic.  He isn't always right; he's generally a better player at scum than town, and even the best players get things wrong.  Nor your attempt to avoid a charge of lurking - you seem to have provided a different excuse here and in Semi Bastard.

Listen up, scumbucket.  You're overreacting up and down the creek.  Pandarsenic is actually a better town player than he is scum, since his scum meta is so easy to crack--and because there's so much of it.  Further, all I said was that I was swayed by his argument.  I didn't say he was necessarily correct.  I stated, in fact, that I disagreed somewhat about dakarian being less scummy than you--though with the way you're behaving now, I'm starting to change my mind.


You want to see my "differing excuses?"  Here they are.

However, Vector, where'd you go? Not lurking are you?

Nope--some RL stuff popped up suddenly last night, and then the internet committed suicide.

This was on Tuesday morning.

I am so painfully hurtfully busy right now that I am sorry, but right now I'm not answering that mostly because GOOD LORD BUSINESS.

Baking, writing a bereavement letter, writing thank you letters (ONE TO THE SAME PERSON I'M SENDING THE BEREAVEMENT LETTER TO), ordering textbooks, getting railed up to go back to HORRIBLY DEPRESSING MATH-MAJOR LAND, credit card crapola, cleaning room after a trip (TO SEE THE PERSON WHO DIED WHO I AM ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE THANKING SOMEHOW?!), at the same time as trying to go back and make friends with evil high school friend or something it is just too crazy.

...

Right.  I'll take care of this in the evening, all right?  I'm just a bit stressed right now and things will be better if I get a couple of hours.

And, if I didn't say so already, extension.

This was on Tuesday at 3 or so, when I realized exactly what I needed to get done and how little time I had to do it.  You're hunting for discrepancies, unless "suddenly needing to take care of someone" doesn't count as "sudden RL stuff."

He isn't voting me, and seems to have backed away from actually attacking me.

Previously, I never was attacking you.  I said you might be scum if Dakarian is scum, but I wasn't focused on you.  I feel a bit like you're panicking.

Time to go dig up more of you two's posts, so I can explain what I think Pandarsenic is picking up on...

[dakarian]

Wait, you're going to argue everything based on the scumteam argument?  I thought you were using my meta.

[Vector]

Wait, you're going to argue everything based on the scumteam argument?  I thought you were using my meta.

I don't actually know any of your meta (I've never confronted you when you were scum).  My agreement with Pandarsenic was that "something is hideously wrong with the way that dakarian and Leafsnail are interacting, and I think it's dakarian." 

After Leafsnail's most recent posts, I've started rethinking.  I now know why the interaction between yourself and Leafsnail looks like a staged fight, and I'm writing up an analysis of the entire thing right now.

Since Leafsnail is the only one who has been dropping scumtells and inconsistencies, though... unvote.  Leafsnail.

[dakarian]

*foot tapping IRL*  You started off buddying, using another person's arguments, and trying to cover it up with 'your own ideas' that you never bothered to expose.

Now you're wishy washing the hanging on to that 'the battle proves the scum' argument is starting to look more like a wish not to look passive.

I'm still listening to what you have to say, but it's starting to look ugly.

[Vector]

Whatever you say, honey.  You're scum, and I'm going to prove it however I have to.

[dakarian]

Funny, your unvote of me says otherwise.

So does the 'only leafsnail has been throwing tells' meaning the ONLY thing you saw that wasn't town/null of me was the fight itself.

[Vector]

Funny, your unvote of me says otherwise.

So does the 'only leafsnail has been throwing tells' meaning the ONLY thing you saw that wasn't town/null of me was the fight itself.

What it means is that I've been thinking about how to take down tough scum lynches recently, and the way you do it is by tracking down the partner and getting them lynched first.  Rather than attacking the castle walls, you burrow from beneath.

I'll explain in the post that I am, in fact, still writing.

[Leafsnail]

I move my vote to Vector and he suddenly seems to go crazy over it.  Suddenly I am scum and dakarian is null.  Suddenly I've been dropping scumtells and inconsistencies.  Suddenly Pandarsenic's accusation actually wasn't important after all.

Time to go dig up more of you two's posts, so I can explain what I think Pandarsenic is picking up on...

If you haven't read these posts already, what makes you think you're going to find them scummy?  Unless, of course, you've already chosen one of us as your target for the rest of the day?

As far as I can tell, you were buddying me until I turned against you, when suddenly you turn against me and say I was always scum anyway.

[Vector]

I move my vote to Vector and he suddenly seems to go crazy over it.  Suddenly I am scum and dakarian is null.  Suddenly I've been dropping scumtells and inconsistencies.  Suddenly Pandarsenic's accusation actually wasn't important after all.

Time to go dig up more of you two's posts, so I can explain what I think Pandarsenic is picking up on...

If you haven't read these posts already, what makes you think you're going to find them scummy?  Unless, of course, you've already chosen one of us as your target for the rest of the day?

As far as I can tell, you were buddying me until I turned against you, when suddenly you turn against me and say I was always scum anyway.

... This is why I hate trying to communicate with people, dudes.  Seriously.

Because buddying is "I don't think you're scum?"  Yeah, okay.  I don't think dorf is scum.  Oooooh, buddying.  Better lynch me for that one!

You moved your vote to me and suddenly I saw your scum-meta.  It kind of makes me crazy when I can't read someone and OH WHAT NOW I THINK I'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE.

By the way, how's my reasoning for lurking?  Enjoying your OMGUSes?

I read those posts before and something was wrong.  I am going back to find out what, precisely, is so very, very wrong about them.

[Leafsnail]

My "scum-meta"?  Huh.  I have flipped scum exactly three times  - BYOR: PE (after just one day...), BYOR1 (where my verbal tic messed up any attempts to read me... and also me forgetting my actual alignment for a long while would mess that up) and NSBM2.  Since the last on is the only one that is even vaguely applicable here, I will have to assume you mean that.

How exactly does my behaviour from NSBM2 match up to my behaviour here?  Why do you think one game is enough to build a reliable meta on me?

You can't explain any of the inconsistencies in your posts because you were never intending to find scum with them - only to get a mislynch.  That's why you are attacking me and being sarcastic instead of explaining or defending your own actions.