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[Iapetus]

Some animals we jus *need*, they shuld also have giant varities, borglemen and usable in the spoiler stuff:

* Mantis shrimp (giant mantis shrimp should be *deadly*)

OMG YES!

• The giant mantis shrimp punches the dragon.
  The dragon explodes in a cloud of gore!
  The dragon has been struck down!

[Shoku]

Some animals we jus *need*, they shuld also have giant varities, borglemen and usable in the spoiler stuff:

* Mantis shrimp (giant mantis shrimp should be *deadly*)

OMG YES!

• The giant mantis shrimp punches the dragon.
  The dragon explodes in a cloud of gore!
  The dragon has been struck down!

Really aside from the reality shattering claws on a mantis shrimp they have a lot in common with the look of the Chinese Dragon. You could probably call them a dragon tank at megabeast size. Only issue is flight but I don't think that's really essential.

[Grek]

butterflies and caterpillars should just be seperate really, both as differant vermin in the same biomes.
I dont know if cacoons would be a great thing to implement.. as they probably would be rather buggy.

It depends. If Toady allows vermin to accept the [CHILDNAME] tag, than we could do

Code: [Select]

[CREATURE:BUTTERFLY_MONARCH]
[NAME:monarch butterfly:monarch butterflies:monarch butterfly]
[TILE:249][COLOR:4:0:1]
[VERMIN_GROUNDER][FREQUENCY:100]
[FLIER][VERMIN_NOTRAP][NOBONES]
[SMALL_REMAINS][NO_WINTER]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
[SPEED:700]
[NATURAL]
[NO_SLEEP]
[CHILDNAME:monarch butterfly caterpillar:monarch butterfly caterpillars]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[PREFSTRING:coloration]
[DIURNAL]
[BIOME:NOT_FREEZING]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[MUNDANE]
And then specify that the wings start growing in at x days, the coloration changes and the antenae/legs change size. The only real issue would be that baby caterpillarmen would have tiny wing-nubs at birth. Assuming we even have catterpillarmen.

[Neonivek]

Instead of Monarch Butterfly Caterpiller... how about just Monarch Caterpiller?

[Shoku]

Here's an issue: do you think the game is going to be able to say "these wings are too small to fly with so it will walk"?

[Footkerchief]

Here's Afrotheria and Xenarthra, two of the four mammal clades:

Afrotheria

• Golden mole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_mole
• Tenrec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenrecidae
• Elephant shrew / sengi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_shrew
• Aardvark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardvark
• Hyrax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyracoidea
• Elephant (already included)
• Dugong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugong
• Manatee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manatee

Xenarthra

• Armadillo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasypodidae
• Three-toed sloth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradypodidae
• Two-toed sloth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_toed_sloth
• Anteater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamandua
• Giant anteater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_anteater
• Silky anteater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silky_anteater

That finishes off three of the four mammal clades, leaving Laurasiatheria (which, unsurprisingly, is the largest one by far).

[Deon]

This project won't officially begin until the new version of DF comes out sometime in December or January of next year.

I think it will come earlier than december this year. Once Toady becomes healthy, I think that he will work on it for 3-4 months more, I believe it won't take longer than 4 months considering the current progress.

I think it would be good to start a google wave project, at least making a catalogue of the changes you're going to make.

[Footkerchief]

This project won't officially begin until the new version of DF comes out sometime in December or January of next year.

I think it will come earlier than december this year. Once Toady becomes healthy, I think that he will work on it for 3-4 months more, I believe it won't take longer than 4 months considering the current progress.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but Rainseeker meant "December of 2009 or January of 2010".

[Neonivek]

Well I found my Record book with things such as the most venomous Bird

Oddly enough the world largest moth (at least in 2004) only lives 4 days because it lacks the ability to eat, lacking a mouth and all.

Should I start putting down the animals that are supposed to be interesting?

[Footkerchief]

Should I start putting down the animals that are supposed to be interesting?

You can if you want, but like I said earlier, someone will still have to systematically go through the taxonomic groups to find interesting animals that you didn't put down, so it's not much of a time-saver.

Additionally, a miscellaneous list of animals (i.e. animals not belonging to a particular clade) will make it harder to tackle the project in an coherent fashion -- when we start making creature raws, people will be tempted to just do individual species rather than clades of animals.  This is bad.  It'll make the project extremely hard to maintain if, for instance, some of the lizards are built off a single lizard template and some aren't.  And the project will have to be maintained, or it'll become obsolete as new creature abilities get added.

I'm not sure people in here understand how much organization and oversight is needed for such a large (and long-term) collaborative project.  We'll probably need version control (it's a regrettable barrier to entry for people who want to help out, but I don't see a sane way to avoid it).  We'll need people reviewing submissions for quality, and people who can adhere to guidelines, and people who are comfortable maintaining other people's raws.  We will, unfortunately, need all the boring bureaucratic crap that nobody wants to deal with.

I've always been 90% sure this project will collapse under its own weight, but I'll keep making animal lists for now.  They're free for anyone to use for whatever purpose.

[Deon]

I was sarcastic, I am sorry . But the general purpose was to suggest the Google Wave.

[Neonivek]

When the project starts we (Or rather you) probably should make a "Template" list

Though to my knowledge most just use "Humanoid"

Ill also try to find animals that went extinct in the last, lets say, 1000 or 3000 years.

Also FINE Ill get their species as well. "Someone will still" well you know what... I COULD do it. I feel like I am being discounted (is that the appropriate word?). It isn't "Ohh if you could put down their tax info like I did then it would be much more helpful because we wouldn't have to do it for you" it is "Your not useful get out" in a paragraph.

ERRR PEEVED must calm down

Edit Addition: Hmmm, I was really angry here... uhhh I should really work on that. If I should get rid of the anger aspect just PM me and Ill take it right down. Though it really is just me going through some sort of temper tantrum

[Footkerchief]

When the project starts we (Or rather you) probably should make a "Template" list

Yeah, a template list is a very good idea.  Having official templates and making sure that people use them are crucial steps toward keeping things organized.

Also FINE Ill get their species as well. "Someone will still" well you know what... I COULD do it. I feel like I am being discounted (is that the appropriate word?)

Well, the problem wasn't that you didn't include their species name.  That's easy enough to find.  The main hazard is that... well, here's an example.  Say I decide I want to submit raws for my three favorite lizards: gila monsters, bearded dragons, and komodo dragons.  They all work fine, so they get included in the project.  However, a couple months down the line, the creature format changes -- adding, say, extra material properties more support for predator-prey relationships.  By this point I no longer have time to keep my creatures updated, and whoever's updating all the lizards makes the unpleasant discovery that my three lizards were implemented in a very different way from everyone else's -- I didn't use any creature templates or body detail plans, I added unnecessary custom materials, etc.  The maintainer will have to make an unpleasant decision and possibly do a lot of work that could have been avoided.

Anyway, several orders of Laurasiatheria:

Erinaceomorpha

• Hedgehog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog
• Moonrat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galericinae

Soricomorpha

• Generic mole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_%28animal%29
• Star-nosed mole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star-nosed_Mole
• Shrew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soricidae
• Solenodon (venomous) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenodon

Pholidota

• Pangolin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin

Perissodactyla, the odd-toed ungulates

• Horse (already included)
• Donkey (already included)
• Onager http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onager
• Kiang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiang
• Zebra http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra
• Tapir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapiridae
• Rhinoceros http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros

Carnivora

• Felids
  
  • (many large cats already included)
  • Leopard cat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prionailurus
  • Fishing cat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_Cat
  • Lynx (including bobcat?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx
  • Ocelot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot
  • Serval http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serval
  • Caracal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal
  • Snow leopard
• Feliformia (misc.)
  
  • Linsang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linsang
  • Civet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civet
  • Genet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genet_%28animal%29
  • Hyena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyaenidae
  • Aardwolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aardwolf
  • Fossa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossa_%28animal%29
  • Mongoose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoose
  • Meerkat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerkat
• Canids
  
  • Jackal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal
  • Coyote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote
  • Gray wolf (presumably already included)
  • Red wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wolf
  • Generic fox (already included)
  • Fennec fox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_Fox
  • Raccoon dog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_Dog
• Pinnipeds
  
  • Walrus (already included)
  • Sea lion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lion
  • Fur seal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_seal
  • Monk seal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monachus
  • Elephant seal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_seal
  • Generic seal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Seal
• Bears
  
  • Panda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Panda
  • Grizzly bear (already included)
  • Kodiak bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodiak_Bear
  • Brown bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Brown_Bear
  • Polar bear (already included)
  • Black bear (already included)
  • Sun bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Bear
• Musteloids
  
  • Red panda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Panda
  • Skunk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephitidae
  • River otter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_otter
  • Sea otter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_otter
  • Badger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badger
  • Wolverine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_%28animal%29
  • Weasel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel
  • Marten http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marten
  • Raccoon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procyon_%28genus%29
  • Coati http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coati
  • Ringtail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring-tailed_Cat

Phew.  All the remaining mammals are in Cetartiodactyla (whales and even-toed ungulates) and Chiroptera (bats).

[Aqizzar]

• Bears
  
  • Panda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_Panda

This demands a question.  Should the panda, when added, be properly named "Giant Panda", or should it just be named "Panda", and the title "Giant Panda" be reserved for an unrealistically but appropriately gigantic panda?

[3]

"Giant giant pandas" would be brilliant.

But in all seriousness, I'd say the latter, or something else entirely. Too much cause for confusion otherwise.