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[Muz]

I always thought of movies as a good way to relax without thinking. If I wanted to think, books and games are better entertainment for it. Movies nice.. relax, ignore whatever logic about aliens landing or 20 trained police officers missing one guy who's never held a gun before. It's easy to pick apart what sucks about your favorite show, but you don't do it because you had fun. It's just plain simple fun, that's what TV and cinema were made for.

[ChairmanPoo]

I cant relax if I dont manage suspension of disbelief or get bored. And very stupid movies can have issues with both.

[Neruz]

That's why you disengage your brain.

[ChairmanPoo]

It doesn't work like that. It is the burden of the movie to keep my disbelief suspended and me entertained, not mine. Sure, you can improve the first by insisting on the second. The problem is when the movie is both implausible and dull. Which is quite frequent.

[Muz]

I cant relax if I dont manage suspension of disbelief or get bored. And very stupid movies can have issues with both.

Dude, you need a lot of suspension of disbelief to watch any movie. C'mon, name your favorite. If it's an action movie, there's over a 90% chance that the hero is ridiculously overpowered. If it's a sci-fi or superhero movie, there's probably tons of flaws. Terminator had time-traveling robots with tons of paradoxes, and there's plenty others with aliens. MIB handled the aliens thing fine, but most other movies are rubbish at it. Romance and drama have these people believing this incredibly stupid thing and making dumb decisions, despite it being against their instincts. And let's not even get started on Heroes, Lost, Prison Break, etc. You just get used to it and shut off your brain.

But yeah, movies that are too dumb just miss too many marks. If it's a good movie, it should nicely distract you from questioning it.

[ChairmanPoo]

yeah, all movies require suspension of disbelief. But in order to be entertaining they have to achieve it (or compensate it so that you ignore it. IE: I always found the "time machines cannot transport inorganic matter" line from Terminator 1 stupid. But I ignore it because I otherwise like the movie -the others, not that much. I did not even watch the last one) IMHO the burden is on the movie, not the spectator .Albeit admitting that people have different tastes movie-wise, and different disbelief-buttons. For instance, I find disaster movies incredibly dull by default (The Day After Tomorrow, for instance)

[Neruz]

The fact that Avatar is making great big buckets of money would suggest that it did something right.

[Cheeetar]

The fact that Avatar is making great big buckets of money would suggest that it did something right.

*ahem*
Disaster Movie

[Vester]

yeah, all movies require suspension of disbelief. But in order to be entertaining they have to achieve it (or compensate it so that you ignore it. IE: I always found the "time machines cannot transport inorganic matter" line from Terminator 1 stupid. But I ignore it because I otherwise like the movie -the others, not that much. I did not even watch the last one) IMHO the burden is on the movie, not the spectator .Albeit admitting that people have different tastes movie-wise, and different disbelief-buttons. For instance, I find disaster movies incredibly dull by default (The Day After Tomorrow, for instance)

I just watched it for Dennis Quaid.

[Ampersand]

The fact that Avatar is making great big buckets of money would suggest that it did something right.

It did.

Hype.

[Neruz]

The fact that Avatar is making great big buckets of money would suggest that it did something right.

It did.

Hype.

The hype was pretty terrible; all the critics panned it and it didn't do so well on opening. It's roaring along now though.

[Vester]

It wasn't that hyped here, though.

All anyone knew about it was "It's not the one with Aang."

[KaelGotDwarves]

The hype was pretty terrible; all the critics panned it and it didn't do so well on opening. It's roaring along now though.

That's because before everyone was like, "Oh wow that looks so terrible, but it'll have awesome special effects."

And now everyone's like, "It is absolutely terrible, but most amazing CGI ever; must see movie this Christmas!" so people go see it anyhow.

It's the Crysis of movies. Mediocre everything but fantastic graphics. It'll do decent just because a lot of people want to see it at least once on a big screen- just as how crysis did good on sales because people wanted to try it on their computer.

[Neruz]

The critics panned it because the critics, like critics everywhere, hate unoriginality. People have seen it now and discovered that the story is perfectly well executed even if it is a little unoriginal and have told all their friends that it's not a disaster.

It's actually the standard pattern for any movie that isn't super artsy.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Don't know where you're getting the "perfectly well executed" story from, as pretty much everyone I know acknowledges that Avatar's story is terrible, but they went in with low expectations and were quite blown away (durr) by special effects.