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[Rainseeker]

Are there any animal mods with "real-life" animals on them, simply extending DF's animal kingdom?  And if there are, how many animals are in them?  Also, I guess they will need to be re-created when the new version is released.

If there are no plans for one, who would be with me in trying to make one?

[3]

There is one somewhere, I'm sure...

Hm, found more than one. Chariot's Zoo Mod (84 animals) is the one I used to use, but there's also the Angler Mod (35 water-creatures) for water diversity, and lots of the larger mods add domestic animals (Dig Deeper, for example).

[Lancensis]

Personally, I'd be interested in a mod that makes the animals a bit more distinct. They all move at the same rate, and they all bite, and practically none of them even have horns or antlers. And then there are some Biomes where you deal with the same creatures over, and over again.
Deserts and Mountains are particularly bad for this, and adventure mode is basically just wolf after wolf after bear, after wolf.

[carriontrooper]

There's a Turtle Mod over at DFFD which expands the turtles you get, exponentially.

[Lancensis]

Oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me! I've been meaning to add that, once I've weeded out the duplicates. Its sheer passion for turtles is something to behold.

Looks like we're in look, what with today's Dev Log and all. A little SUSPICIOUS actually. Has Rainseeker been whispering in Toady's ear?

[3]

Combining the subjects of two posts above - while we know that creatures in the new version will have a great deal more detail, modded in or not, I have a seperate proposal. I suggest that all creatures be given personality tokens, to a more or less degree, in order to tune their behavior more finely - while the current BEGIGN/SAVAGE/CURIOUSBEAST/FLEEQUICK/LIKES_FIGHTING/etc tags obviously exist with the purpose of handling creature behavior, there's potentially a lot more depth to be had.

[Rainseeker]

Oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me! I've been meaning to add that, once I've weeded out the duplicates. Its sheer passion for turtles is something to behold.

Looks like we're in look, what with today's Dev Log and all. A little SUSPICIOUS actually. Has Rainseeker been whispering in Toady's ear?

I'm not sure what you're implying!!! *shocked gasp* *raised eyebrows*

Actually, I posted this after I read today's dev log (12/16/09).

I think we can make a TON of realistic creatures if we all work together!  The only thing is I don't know how to do it.  I would like someone in the community who can come along side of me and advise for this proposed project who has been making creatures for the old system.

[Lancensis]

I'd be happy to help. I'm going to be away for the next three weeks or so, for the holidays, but I ought to be able to come on now and again. There's going to have to be a learning period anyway, since the raws are so much more in depth, but I think most of the new stuff is relatively straightforward.

There's just a lot of it

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creature_standard[OBJECT:CREATURE][CREATURE:DWARF]   [DESCRIPTION:A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry.]   [NAME:dwarf:dwarves:dwarven]   [CASTE_NAME:dwarf:dwarves:dwarven]   [CREATURE_TILE:1][COLOR:3:0:0]   Many of the following tags are actually caste-level tags (in this case, male and female), but because there are no differences between the castes for these tags in a dwarf, you can add them earlier.  Any caste-level tag that occurs before castes are explicitly declared is saved up and placed on any caste that is declared later, unless the caste is explicitly derived from another caste.   [INTELLIGENT]   [trANCES]   [BENIGN]   [CANOPENDOORS]   [PREFSTRING:beards][BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH:FACIAL_FEATURES:TEETH:RIBCAGE]   Next we use body detail plans (which have their own raw file) to streamline the addition of some of the common materials, tissues and their relationships with each other.   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HEAD_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]   Eyebrows and eyelashes are manually added here.   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYEBROW:EYEBROW_TEMPLATE]   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW:ABOVE:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:EYELASH:EYELASH_TEMPLATE]   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:EYELID:EYELASH:FRONT]   And nails.   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]   [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NAIL:NAIL_TEMPLATE]   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL:FRONT]   [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL:FRONT]   Set up some major arteries that couldn't be handled in the raw templates.  The selection commands can be used to grab tissue layers to adjust their properties after they have been created.   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SKIN:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]      [MAJOR_ARTERIES]   Then back to some more body detail plans.   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUES]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]   [RELSIZE:BY_CATEGORY:LIVER:300] Of course!  Standard relative size for humanoids is 200.   Tendons and ligaments are currently very abstract, but adding these flags will let wounds occur that damage them.  The number afterward is the healing rate.  Lower is faster.   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]   [liGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]   This makes the creature susceptible to severed nerves when muscles are torn in limb, grasp and stance parts.   [HAS_NERVES]   This controls the bleeding behavior.   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]   These classes are used by syndromes (such as poison).  You can name them whatever you want.   [CREATURE_INTERACTION_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]   Some tags to control the overall infection behavior.   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]      These tags establish the growth phases of the creature's life.  The format is (BODY_SIZE|<year>|<day>|<average size>).   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:3000]   [BODY_SIZE:1:168:15000]   [BODY_SIZE:12:0:60000]   These body modifiers give individual dwarves different characteristics.  In the case of HEIGHT, BROADNESS and LENGTH, the modifier is also a percentage change to the BODY_SIZE of the individual creature.  The seven numbers afterward give a distribution of ranges.  Each interval has an equal chance of occurring.   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]      [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:75:95:98:100:102:105:125]      [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:500]   In order to set properties for body parts, first you select them.  In this case, we select all body parts of category EYE, then we add a few modifiers to them.   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CLOSE_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_SET:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:ROUND_VS_NARROW:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LARGE_IRIS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:LIP]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:THICKNESS:50:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:lips:PLURAL]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:NOSE]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:25:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:UPTURNED:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CONVEX:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:nose bridge:SINGULAR]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EAR]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SPLAYED_OUT:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HANGING_LOBES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:ears:PLURAL]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GAPS:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:teeth:PLURAL]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:SKULL]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_CHEEKBONES:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROAD_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:JUTTING_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:SQUARE_CHIN:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:NECK]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DEEP_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:RASPY_VOICE:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]   [SET_BP_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]      [BP_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]         [APP_MOD_IMPORTANCE:700]   These are as before.   [STOUT]   [MAXAGE:150:170]   Attack definitions are formatted as follows:   [ATTACK:PUNCH:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:GRASP]      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]      [ATTACK_VERB:punch:punches]      This means that the attack will use as much of the available tissue as possible, rather than, say, thrusting with a spike.      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]   [ATTACK:KICK:BODYPART:BY_TYPE:STANCE]      [ATTACK_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE]      [ATTACK_VERB:kick:kicks]      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]   This causes all of the nails on the fingers of a given grasp to be used.   [ATTACK:SCRATCH:CHILD_TISSUE_LAYER_GROUP:BY_TYPE:GRASP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]      [ATTACK_VERB:scratch:scratches]      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]   This causes all of the teeth on a given head to be used.   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:BY_CATEGORY:TOOTH]      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]   Here, GENERAL_BABY_NAME is at the creature level, and BABYNAME is at the caste level.  These names could be gender-specific but aren't right now.   [BABY:1]   [GENERAL_BABY_NAME:dwarven baby:dwarven babies]   [BABYNAME:dwarven baby:dwarven babies]   [CHILD:12]   [GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:dwarven child:dwarven children]   [CHILDNAME:dwarven child:dwarven children]   [EQUIPS]   [CAVE_ADAPT]   [DIURNAL]   This is the new format for making specific unit names for a creature.  Any unit token can be used.  If you want to add a caste-specific profession name, use CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME instead, once the caste has been declared.   [PROFESSION_NAME:CRAFTSMAN:craftsdwarf:craftsdwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:FISHERMAN:fisherdwarf:fisherdwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:HAMMERMAN:hammerdwarf:hammerdwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:SPEARMAN:speardwarf:speardwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:CROSSBOWMAN:marksdwarf:marksdwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:AXEMAN:axedwarf:axedwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:SWORDSMAN:swordsdwarf:swordsdwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:MACEMAN:macedwarf:macedwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:PIKEMAN:pikedwarf:pikedwarves]   [PROFESSION_NAME:BOWMAN:bowdwarf:bowdwarves]   [SPEECH:dwarf.txt]   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]   [ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT]   [SWIMS_LEARNED][SWIM_SPEED:2500]   [PERSONALITY:IMMODERATION:0:55:100]   [PERSONALITY:VULNERABILITY:0:45:100]   [PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:0:55:100]   [MANNERISM_FINGERS:finger:fingers]   [MANNERISM_NOSE:nose]   [MANNERISM_EAR:ear]   [MANNERISM_HEAD:head]   [MANNERISM_EYES:eyes]   [MANNERISM_MOUTH:mouth]   [MANNERISM_HAIR:hair]   [MANNERISM_KNUCKLES:knuckles]   [MANNERISM_LIPS:lips]   [MANNERISM_CHEEK:cheek]   [MANNERISM_NAILS:nails]   [MANNERISM_FEET:feet]   [MANNERISM_ARMS:arms]   [MANNERISM_HANDS:hands]   [MANNERISM_TONGUE:tongue]   [MANNERISM_LEG:leg]   [MANNERISM_LAUGH]   [MANNERISM_SMILE]   [MANNERISM_WALK]   [MANNERISM_SIT]   [MANNERISM_BREATH]   [MANNERISM_POSTURE]   [MANNERISM_STRETCH]   [MANNERISM_EYELIDS]      Now we'll declare the specific castes.   [CASTE:FEMALE]      The gender tag lets it know how breeding works.      [FEMALE]      [MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]      To add beards, put square brackets around the following:      BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS   [CASTE:MALE]      [MALE]      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:FACIAL_HAIR_TISSUE_LAYERS]   This command lets you select all of the castes again.   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]      Now we'll select all of the hair tissue layers we can find so that we can add colorations to them.  Even if the castes have different tissue layers, it'll find the layers and establish modifiers for each of the castes properly.      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYELASH]                  A color modifier takes a list of color patterns (every color is associated to a monotone color pattern of its color, so you can also use color tokens) and frequencies.  I haven't filled out this list yet...         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1:BROWN:1]            [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GRAY:1]            This gives the start and finish time in <year>|<days> for the color change to occur                  [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]            [TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:80:0:130:0]         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:WHITE:1]            [TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]            [TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:130:0:150:0]      Now we'll select the eyebrows and eyelashes and give them variable lengths.      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYEBROW]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DENSE:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HIGH_POSITION:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyebrows:PLURAL]      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:EYELASH]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:eyelashes:PLURAL]      All of the other hair is selected and started at length zero.  It's fine to group them all together like this -- the creature can still accomodate different lengths once hair cutting/styling goes in.  I used one modifier here because the growth rates and starting length are all the same.      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]            Here we set the growth rate.  This will change the modifier (LENGTH) by 1 each day up to a maximum of 1000 from the start of the dwarf's life (early beards!) for as long as the dwarf is alive.  The format is (APP_MOD_RATE|<rate>|<scale>|<min>|<max>|<start year>|<start day>|<end year>|<end day>) where the final two tokens can be replaced by NO_END if the growth is to continue indefinitely.                        [APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:1000:0:0:NO_END]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:CURLY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:GREASY:0:70:90:100:110:130:200]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:DENSE:50:80:90:100:110:120:150]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HAIR]         [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:HAIR:STANDARD_HAIR_SHAPINGS]            [TSU_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHEEK_WHISKERS]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:CHIN_WHISKERS]         [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:BEARD:STANDARD_BEARD_SHAPINGS]            [TSU_NOUN:beard:SINGULAR]      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:MOUSTACHE]         [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:MOUSTACHE:STANDARD_MOUSTACHE_SHAPINGS]            [TSU_NOUN:moustache:SINGULAR]      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:SIDEBURNS]         [TISSUE_STYLE_UNIT:SIDEBURNS:STANDARD_SIDEBURNS_SHAPINGS]            [TSU_NOUN:sideburns:PLURAL]      Here we handle nail length.      (need a new style to keep these short and need to make the entity def say to keep them short)      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:FINGER:NAIL]       [PLUS_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TOE:NAIL]         [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:100:100:100:100:100:100:100]            [APP_MOD_RATE:1:DAILY:0:1000:0:0:NO_END]            [APP_MOD_NOUN:nails:PLURAL]      Here all of the skin is selected and various colors are listed.      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1:BURNT_UMBER:1:CINNAMON:1:COPPER:1:DARK_BROWN:1:DARK_PEACH:1:DARK_TAN:1:ECRU:1:PALE_BROWN:1:PALE_CHESTNUT:1:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1:RAW_UMBER:1:SEPIA:1:TAN:1:TAUPE_PALE:1:TAUPE_SANDY:1]         [TLCM_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]      [TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:WRINKLY:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]         [APP_MOD_RATE:1:YEARLY:0:100:60:0:NO_END]         [APP_MOD_NOUN:skin:SINGULAR]      Now we do the eyes, using the somewhat clunky eye color patterns.      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:IRIS_EYE_AMETHYST:1:IRIS_EYE_AQUAMARINE:1:IRIS_EYE_BRASS:1:IRIS_EYE_BRONZE:1:IRIS_EYE_COBALT:1:IRIS_EYE_COPPER:1:IRIS_EYE_EMERALD:1:IRIS_EYE_GOLD:1:IRIS_EYE_HELIOTROPE:1:IRIS_EYE_JADE:1:IRIS_EYE_OCHRE:1:IRIS_EYE_RAW_UMBER:1:IRIS_EYE_RUST:1:IRIS_EYE_SILVER:1:IRIS_EYE_SLATE_GRAY:1:IRIS_EYE_TURQUOISE:1]         [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[Shurhaian]

On the one hand I can kind of see where you're coming from. On the other I'd like to see more creatures that make the DF world distinct. I mean, where else can you find fluffy wamblers, fire snakes, and moghoppers? Or beak dogs, for that matter.

The horns/antlers issue I believe is because those have been bugged up til now, and IIRC fixing that flashed by in the dev log; so we can hope for antler and horn and ivory(another reason to hunt elephants instead of just avoiding them!).

[Lancensis]

On the one hand I can kind of see where you're coming from. On the other I'd like to see more creatures that make the DF world distinct. I mean, where else can you find fluffy wamblers, fire snakes, and moghoppers? Or beak dogs, for that matter.

Well, I'd be interested in that mod too. They're not mutually exclusive, y'know.

The horns/antlers issue I believe is because those have been bugged up til now, and IIRC fixing that flashed by in the dev log; so we can hope for antler and horn and ivory(another reason to hunt elephants instead of just avoiding them!).

Could be. I thought maybe it was to do with the inability to make males and females different, but I guess there are numerous reasons. Might just have been an oversight.

[Shurhaian]

There are animals that have horns in both genders; but for a good number, you're probably right too.

I suppose my reaction is because I have seen the zoo mods; I've similarly seen mods that add a whole bunch of real-world plants... but they don't add any new flavour to the world, not like novel creations do.

Now, having recognizable elements is well and good, no doubts there; but the little quirks offset those elements and contribute to a fantastic feel.