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[clc02]

Genned a new world, look at the civilization lists to make sure that I had everything
But next to the goblins it says War in red.  I thought it only had the ------- next to them if you are at war with them, what's the difference?

[Untelligent]

From what I've heard:

The ----- is a Toady Hack, i.e. a necessary placeholder put in the game until he can implement something better. In this case, it appears to force babysnatching civilizations (like goblins) to attack you in Fortress mode, regardless of whether that civ is actually at war with you; this makes the game more interesting by ensuring you have a foe while we're waiting for diplomacy to be implemented.

As to whether it has any differences from the normal "WAR" status, I haven't noticed any.

[Amalgam]

Yeah, I think it's used to implicitly indicate conflict with that civilization, even if there isn't a formal war declared. In the case of goblins they'll snatch children and try to conquer you because they feel like it, wars are usually over some particular dispute.

[Nadaka]

Yeah, I think it's used to implicitly indicate conflict with that civilization, even if there isn't a formal war declared. In the case of goblins they'll snatch children and try to conquer you because they feel like it, wars are usually over some particular dispute.

WAR is relatively rare, I have only seen it once, I was at WAR with the elves and ----- with the goblins. First few attempts in that world crumbled in the first year or two due to springtime ambushes by bowelfs.