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« on: December 10, 2009, 01:49:37 pm »
I've been messing with the world gen params to make ideal worlds for me with lots of mountain features, but very few Z-levels.  I have no trouble genning a world that has a 5x5 embarks with flux, lava, and mountain features and low cliffs.  The only problem is I can never seem to get a chasm or bottomless pit to spawn me a Giant Cave Spider.  Do I need altitudes higher than 301 to get them?
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Re: GCS
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 01:55:46 pm »
Have you fully explored the pit or chasm?  GCS are invisible when you first embark, you don't know they're there until a dwarf bumps into them.  (And then dies horribly, of course)
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Re: GCS
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 01:58:40 pm »
GCSes start stealthed.
You can't be sure if you've got them or not until you've inspected every level of a pit.

If you have got one you should see random corpses after a while, or some poor woodland critter will stumble upon the web or the thing itself.

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Re: GCS
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 02:54:49 pm »
Quote from: Akigagak on December 10, 2009, 01:58:40 pm
If you have got one you should see random corpses after a while

I'm not sure that actually happens - the only thing I've observed is that vermin die when they touch visible webs, and that many chasm creatures (such as ratmen and naked mole dogs) only live for 2-3 years before dying of old age.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 04:35:13 pm »
Quote from: Quietust on December 10, 2009, 02:54:49 pm
Quote from: Akigagak on December 10, 2009, 01:58:40 pm
If you have got one you should see random corpses after a while

I'm not sure that actually happens - the only thing I've observed is that vermin die when they touch visible webs, and that many chasm creatures (such as ratmen and naked mole dogs) only live for 2-3 years before dying of old age.

Are they replaced by new spawns and/or do they breed in the wild?

My current fort has a pit with a single diagonal breach but there's nothing in there on that level (I rushed it with my military.)

It's been about 4 years now though and maybe I've just outlived everything in there?
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Re: GCS
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 05:08:43 pm »
You can use Dwarf Companion to check if there are any hidden GCS on your map
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Re: GCS
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 05:09:03 pm »
Well I sorta use Dwarf Companion to check to see if a GCS even exists.  Haven't seen a single one yet outside of dwarf heaven.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 05:26:01 pm »
IIRC, naked mole dogs do breed, but ratmen don't. Giant bats and the OTHER GCS also breed, and make excellent defense creatures if you manage to catch a female.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 05:36:13 pm »
A nice interesting chasm will have loads. Dwarf heaven's had at least four discovered in my current game.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 09:15:31 pm »
I had a map with a chasm, and I didn't think I had a GCS, but I looked in my stocks menu in the (z)tatus for my silks, because I wanted to know what silks I had. Lo and behold, I found out there was GCS silk somewhere on the map, but after a thorough search, I couldn't find it.

Keep that in mind when seeking GCSs.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 09:45:15 pm »
Quote from: shadowsofwhite on December 10, 2009, 09:15:31 pm
I had a map with a chasm, and I didn't think I had a GCS, but I looked in my stocks menu in the (z)tatus for my silks, because I wanted to know what silks I had. Lo and behold, I found out there was GCS silk somewhere on the map, but after a thorough search, I couldn't find it.

Keep that in mind when seeking GCSs.

You can zoom in on an object from the stocks screen. You know that, right?
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Re: GCS
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 09:46:46 pm »
Quote from: shadowsofwhite on December 10, 2009, 09:15:31 pm
I had a map with a chasm, and I didn't think I had a GCS, but I looked in my stocks menu in the (z)tatus for my silks, because I wanted to know what silks I had. Lo and behold, I found out there was GCS silk somewhere on the map, but after a thorough search, I couldn't find it.

Keep that in mind when seeking GCSs.

I've had tons of pits with GCS web, but no GCS, I'm not even sure if I have one in my current fort. Going to have to use some sacrifice animals sometime.

I don't think I've ever had a chasm with GCS in it though.
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Re: GCS
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 10:32:05 pm »
i have seen GCS only once- at the end of a chasm, on the surface outside the chasm. both the spider and its web were stealthed until some wandering cats found em. turned out i had TWO of em, a fact i found when the reclaim team went in. the original 7 all died from the spider walking over to where i had dug the fortress entrance. it was a smaller map (4x4).

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Re: GCS
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 10:38:11 pm »
I played the dwarf heaven map, and it had three GCS. One in the pit, one above the chasm and one inside the chasm. We found the one above the chasm first, because it decided to say hello to my liaison and om nom nom him. I had to play that map with no trade liaison!
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Re: GCS
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 11:37:55 pm »
Let me lay it hard, if there is no gcs, there is no web, it must that the gcs is avoiding you, or is on the part of the web above the chasm...
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