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Vester

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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 08:04:54 am »

Yeah. Normally you only hear about this kind of thing when it's religio-political, but this mess was just pure political. It's insane.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 08:19:31 am »

That is really horrible... I really can't say much about it. Although the murderers ought to be shot, I have doubts that it will happen anytime soon.

It is good to have you back Vester, we missed you.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 08:28:36 am »

 I have read reports on this in my local newspaper, but I always tried to reason that you were just occupied with college stuff so that you would not be in danger. Good to finally hear from you, and to hear that you are unhurt.

 Damn, the one night I finally get some proper sleep and this happens.

 One would think the international community would be outraged at so many reporters being killed. Even Iran with it's current protests didn't go all-out with taking down opposition and media leaders but merely cut off their lines of communication.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 10:38:33 am »

Wow... this sucks... [/understatement]
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 12:37:51 pm »

I am pleasantly surprised you are alive, Vester :3
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2009, 12:49:11 pm »

Ugh... this is just... awful...

And what makes it even worse is that it was barely covered at all in the national newspaper I read.  Our politicians' pointless, petty squabbles over inheritance tax are apparently more important than this.  Puts political problems we have here in the UK into perspective, it really does.

Anyway, I hope you're ok, Vester.  It's good to see you back.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2009, 01:36:06 pm »

I read brief reports on this, but that's about it. Sadly, I'm pretty out of touch with the news lately.

Glad to hear you're ok, Vester!

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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 02:16:55 pm »

This is a reason I no longer listen/read the news anymore. Locally, it's nonsense (stupid local crap), nationally, it's further nonsense, and internationally, it's just plain depressing (like the news just stated).

Plus, it seems these days you can't get a legitimate news source to tell the full story on anything anymore, unless, let's say, an entire internet community calls 'bullshit' on an article from witnessing a scene or something, and knowing what is stated is inaccurate, just to sell more papers or something. I just don't have faith in the news anymore; it's getting too unreliable over here in the states. Too much bias and bullshit politics nowadays.

This is the first time I've heard of this. Nothing on the news channels or papers made even a peep about it. None of my RSS feeds have anything on it either. Real shame.

It's nice to know you're okay; been wondering where you've been the whole time.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 02:21:38 pm »

Yeah, I haven't heard anything about this, and I was wondering where you had gone.  Good to know you're okay.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 02:34:17 pm »

It really infuriates me when political crud like this happens. It to me goes against the whole point of having a government.

Why are those two groups even bothering with political violence anyhow?
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 05:58:17 pm »

it's insane how much messed up shit goes on in the world and nobody ever notices. Of course, that's not to say they necessarily should, or even CAN. There is too much to keep track of, much less care deeply about each one.

That's why I just stick to my pet issue which is the military occupation of Palestine...everything else, I just dont' have the emotional capacity to care about because I haven't seen it first hand.

And yeah, this won't get reported in the American media unless it somehow starts to affect Americans. Maybe it'll get a mention on NPR...
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2009, 06:31:15 pm »

Our politicians' pointless, petty squabbles over inheritance tax are apparently more important than this.

Political killings and a high inheritance tax together would make it even more unbearable for the family the deceased "left behind"; one day your dad's alive and well, and the next, he got killed because of politics and you have to pay a chunk of his money to the government that the politics were from.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2009, 06:35:49 pm »

And yeah, this won't get reported in the American media unless it somehow starts to affect Americans. Maybe it'll get a mention on NPR...
Most B12ers don't read newspapers beyond the headline stories apparently. Still, no excuse for news stations not to report this. Or the internet.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2009, 06:42:23 pm »

I managed to read about this, so I guess I'm informed. Though I've given up on following the news entirley since.

Either it's insipid local/national stuff or horrible international stuff.

Either way I end up depressed.
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Re: The Maguindanao Massacre
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 07:27:44 pm »

Don't worry about it Sof, just think happy thoughts. :)

Our politicians' pointless, petty squabbles over inheritance tax are apparently more important than this.

Political killings and a high inheritance tax together would make it even more unbearable for the family the deceased "left behind"; one day your dad's alive and well, and the next, he got killed because of politics and you have to pay a chunk of his money to the government that the politics were from.

The thing is, yeah, it's normally the patriarch and the men of the rival clan who are targeted. This is why Mangadatu sent his wife and sisters to file his candidacy, because he believed that the Ampatuans wouldn't break the "rule" that women and reporters were not to be touched by political violence.

One would think the international community would be outraged at so many reporters being killed. Even Iran with it's current protests didn't go all-out with taking down opposition and media leaders but merely cut off their lines of communication.

I always assumed that was because everyone's eyes were on Iran. Doing something like this would have caused any and all foreign opinion to plunge.

On the other hand, I suspect that the southern warlords here don't think out their plans before they carry them out. If they did, they would have realized exactly how monstrous the thing they were doing was. Or failing that, at least predicted the government backlash.

It really infuriates me when political crud like this happens. It to me goes against the whole point of having a government.

Why are those two groups even bothering with political violence anyhow?

Mindanao, the southernmost Philippine territory, is far enough from the central government that stuff like this happens a lot. That's the reason it's the base for the Al Qaeda-backed Abu Sayyaf and the local branch of Jemaah Islamiyah. And the other people who aren't terrorists are the local politicians, who take feuds seriously. It doesn't help that they basically have private armies.
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