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moghopper

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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 12:17:51 pm »

You could retain your "free as in free beer" ideal and still print up copies to sell to people. Tell them they can go on your website and download the PDF, print it themselves, or they can buy your printed version. It's a lot easier to use at the table than on a laptop anyway.

Plus if you ever pimp it out at a convention or gaming store you'll need to have printed copies even if you give them away at cost.

I have to wonder how much a copy would cost to print out...
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 01:11:46 pm »

$12.80 at 8 cents a page, if it's 160 pages.

$2.40 for a set of three 40-page booklets (that is, 10 sheets of paper in book fold)

That's what I spent printing locally. Didn't spend on shipping because I picked it up in person.

I'm sure you could get a better deal on a large print run. Don't go print-on-demand like on Lulu.com, it's way too expensive per unit.

If you could manage to get this down to $1 per book, meaning $3 for a set of the entire rules, and you sold it at cost ... well, you can't beat that for cheap gaming.
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2009, 02:47:33 pm »

$12.80 at 8 cents a page, if it's 160 pages.

$2.40 for a set of three 40-page booklets (that is, 10 sheets of paper in book fold)

That's what I spent printing locally. Didn't spend on shipping because I picked it up in person.

I'm sure you could get a better deal on a large print run. Don't go print-on-demand like on Lulu.com, it's way too expensive per unit.

If you could manage to get this down to $1 per book, meaning $3 for a set of the entire rules, and you sold it at cost ... well, you can't beat that for cheap gaming.

THATS ALL IT COSTS!?
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2009, 03:15:29 pm »

Well, you can easily get screwed over going to the wrong printing place. And 8 cents a page may be too low for your area, depending on the economy there.

The printer should include three-hole-punching, but if you want it bound you'll need to pay a little extra.

The book fold thing, to give you a concrete example, cost me $22 for eight 44-page booklets. But I had a cardstock full-color cover on each as well. Total $2.75 per booklet. I went to Kinkos and they tend to be pricey.

But I didn't do everything perfectly, so they had to trash a few copies. Woman working there was really nice about it. Make sure you either encode it as PDF or tell them to print from Word or whatever you have it in. She tried to change it from Word to PDF at first, and my cover font went screwy because Adobe doesn't like that font.

You'd be surprised how much careful editing and formatting matters in cutting page count. I'd say I spent twice as much editing than writing or playtesting that first version.

EDIT: I specifically went to Kinkos because when you pay more, they're more likely to be willing to help you out. Just my experience in being a print customer. I went to a local joint and they screwed up my print job but I didn't notice until I got home. Once you get everything squared away you would want to just go to the cheapest printer and give them a previous (good) copy to compare to. But if it's not perfect be willing to meet in the middle somewhere.
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2009, 04:59:15 pm »

Two Non-PNP games ideas are up!
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2009, 05:43:46 pm »

Now I just need a good way to bring in more people
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2009, 11:48:19 am »

Please people. I need comments on my games. We have only NINE PEOPLE ON THE FORUMS

AND NO ONE GOES THERE BUT ME AND MOG
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2009, 11:34:29 am »

Need People... :'(
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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2009, 08:52:10 pm »

Anyways, I'll be updating things over t6he next couple of days. Make sure to give us a visit.

Gallery is getting an overhaul, plus I may host a forum game.
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2009, 09:36:38 pm »

Only written games? Or are you guys getting into digital games?
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« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2009, 10:45:02 pm »

Only written games? Or are you guys getting into digital games?

just written.

I, nor anyone i know, has any programming talent
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2009, 11:00:07 pm »

Shouldn't this go somewhere else because it doesn't look like a forum game.
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2009, 11:10:20 pm »

It's a complex one. Very experimental. Edge of the state of the art. By posting that you participated in seven distinct ways.
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2009, 11:19:37 pm »

I'm not even gonna ask...
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Re: Basement dweller games
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2009, 11:37:01 am »

I'm on. What good that does I don't know.
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