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[Rowanas]

Which is why certain arrow heads must not be used to fish with. They catch too many organs and cause the contents of various organs to spoil and poison all the meat.

[Misterstone]

To put it indelicately, if you mess up with butchering livestock or game, fish or birds, you end up with poo spilled all over the meat you are working on.  Gall bladder and stuff like that is also bad, since the gall bladder can be pretty filthy IIRC and gall the substance taints the meat with a horrible taste.  This would be the real risk faced by an unskilled butcher trying to dress a carcass, I imagine.

[profit]

If I recall correctly real butchers use a spring loaded mechanism to deliver cranial shock to a cow causing instant coma state.

[nil]

To put it indelicately, if you mess up with butchering livestock or game, fish or birds, you end up with poo spilled all over the meat you are working on.  Gall bladder and stuff like that is also bad, since the gall bladder can be pretty filthy IIRC and gall the substance taints the meat with a horrible taste.  This would be the real risk faced by an unskilled butcher trying to dress a carcass, I imagine.

That too; I guess I didn't mention it because I assume Toady's already going to implement something like it to pare down this sort of thing.

If I recall correctly real butchers use a spring loaded mechanism to deliver cranial shock to a cow causing instant coma state.

Yeah, possibly even something hydraulic or pneumatic.  People still used sledgehammers well into the industrial revolution, though:
http://books.google.com/books?id=b7QpAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22the%20jungle%22%20sinclair&pg=PA44#v=onepage&q=knocker&f=false

While I'm at it, support for the initial concept:  http://books.google.com/books?id=b7QpAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22the%20jungle%22%20sinclair&pg=PA81#v=snippet&q=%22a%20wounded%20steer%22&f=false

[Pilsu]

While poor quality restraints could certainly fail, the animal is generally held securely in place and strung up when bled out. Trying to hack off the head of a cow and having it go on rampage is just silly. Novice butchers occasionally causing headless chickens to run about would be funny though

Fecal contamination etc mentioned by others in this thread would be nice to see though. Presumably simply reflected by production of contaminated meat units in addition to good. It might still be useful for trapping

[darkflagrance]

Fecal contamination etc mentioned by others in this thread would be nice to see though. Presumably simply reflected by production of contaminated meat units in addition to good. It might still be useful for trapping

I think this is already partly reflected in that currently butcher novices produce greater useless chunks and less usable meat. In the next version, it should work in a similar way.

[assimilateur]

I think this is already partly reflected in that currently butcher novices produce greater useless chunks and less usable meat.

Do you mean currently as in 40d? I'm pretty sure that's not the case, at least I don't remember ever seeing it work like that. As it is, butchery is probably the most useless job when it comes to experience, because there's no quality involved, and the process is instantaneous regardless of skill level. I still like having a legendary butcher just for roleplaying reasons.

[Pilsu]

Simplistic labor skills shouldn't have as many ranks as "real" jobs anyway but let's not go there

Contaminated, foul tasting meat should still be consumable by starving dwarves. Nausea and disease would follow as appropriate


Should butchery ability also pertain skinning?

[assimilateur]

Simplistic labor skills shouldn't have as many ranks as "real" jobs anyway but let's not go there

Sorry for going there after all, but:
1. I essentially agree, when it comes to realism and shit.
2. Point 1 notwithstanding, I like having legendary butchers or legendary pump operators as comic relief. While I essentially agree with making games more realistic, I'm probably going to miss some wacky aspects of DF once they get improved/removed in order for the game to make more sense.

[Pilsu]

Seems pointless to miss something as minor as legendary crank turners when we've already lost the legendary elephants, lava rivers, legions of demons etcetera 

[sproingie]

We still have Carp.  Fear the Carp.

[Footkerchief]

While poor quality restraints could certainly fail, the animal is generally held securely in place and strung up when bled out. Trying to hack off the head of a cow and having it go on rampage is just silly. Novice butchers occasionally causing headless chickens to run about would be funny though

Are you referring to modern butchery techniques or historical ones?  I mean, obviously people have attempted to butcher unrestrained animals at some point, and it's very probable that some of them were injured as a result.  What makes that situation inappropriate for DF?

[Pilsu]

Bleeding out is hardly modern. Perhaps they didn't lift cows up back then but I have a hard time believing they just sliced the jugular open and ran like hell. Especially seeing it wastes all the delicious blood

[assimilateur]

delicious blood

I'm sort of aware of its culinary uses, but the words "delicious" and "blood" don't belong in the same sentence, unless in a negation, like for example "blood is most certainly not delicious".

[sproingie]

Clearly you're not familiar with black pudding.

Bleeding out the animal is of course de rigueur for any Kosher or Halaal preparation, but I'm pretty sure the Dwarves are neither.