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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2009, 08:18:11 am »

It's very obvious now that this is going to be the best release since... the last release. Seriously. It's not even surprising any more. DF has been in the "beyond the impossible" spectrum for well over a year. I eagerly await playing with materials and making bizarre things.

LEGO FORTRESS!
Which is actually going to be great with this release...
You could make a dragon be out of 5 green blocks, and 2 flame-thingies, and specify how they all connect :p

Oh no, does that mean dragons are made from people!?! RIOT! lol j/k. Seriously, I love legos :)

100 dwarfbucks to whoever gets the reference. :)
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« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2009, 08:22:18 am »

It's very obvious now that this is going to be the best release since... the last release. Seriously. It's not even surprising any more. DF has been in the "beyond the impossible" spectrum for well over a year. I eagerly await playing with materials and making bizarre things.

LEGO FORTRESS!
Which is actually going to be great with this release...
You could make a dragon be out of 5 green blocks, and 2 flame-thingies, and specify how they all connect :p

Oh no, does that mean dragons are made from people!?! RIOT! lol j/k. Seriously, I love legos :)

100 dwarfbucks to whoever gets the reference. :)

I think I know the answer, but I don't want to speak up, so I'll just stay soylent
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2009, 10:55:44 am »

I don't understand why people are so squeamish about offal. I've had pig liver and brains for lunch yesterday, and it was better than steak.

Also, whoever wrote that guide for butchering humans has obviously never done any real butchery. Throwing away blood? Even dabbling butchers know you need that for blood pudding. And sawing bone instead of separating at joints? Who the hell does that?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2009, 11:06:29 am by DJ »
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2009, 11:39:00 am »

I sincerely hope that's from multiple elephants. Because 2 hearts (Time Lord elephant anyone?), 2 pancreases, 2 spleens, 4 kidneys, 5 livers, 5 stomachs, 5 brains and 10 lungs seems a bit too much for just one elephant...

Which is actually going to be great with this release...
You could make a dragon be out of 5 green blocks, and 2 flame-thingies, and specify how they all connect :p
Oh no, does that mean dragons are made from people!?! RIOT! lol j/k. Seriously, I love legos :)
100 dwarfbucks to whoever gets the reference. :)
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How punny of you..
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2009, 01:35:08 pm »

I sincerely hope that's from multiple elephants. Because 2 hearts (Time Lord elephant anyone?), 2 pancreases, 2 spleens, 4 kidneys, 5 livers, 5 stomachs, 5 brains and 10 lungs seems a bit too much for just one elephant...

Which is actually going to be great with this release...
You could make a dragon be out of 5 green blocks, and 2 flame-thingies, and specify how they all connect :p
Oh no, does that mean dragons are made from people!?! RIOT! lol j/k. Seriously, I love legos :)
100 dwarfbucks to whoever gets the reference. :)
I think I know the answer, but I don't want to speak up, so I'll just stay soylent

How punny of you..
I think the two heart means that the elephant heart is big enough to produce 2 chunks of heart meat.
Else how do you explain the 10 lungs but 2 hearts?
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2009, 03:36:18 pm »

Indeed. 10 arbitrary units of meat, although 10 arbitrary units of meat from 2 elephant lungs does seem a bit excessive. I dunno though, lungs are pretty large.
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #81 on: December 07, 2009, 03:53:36 pm »

I asked Toady about this here's a copy of the correspondence:

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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2009, 06:01:47 pm »

Lego Dwarf Fortress seems needlessly complex appropriately dwarven.
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2009, 06:19:18 pm »

Complex?  Goodness no, minifigures need no sleep, food, or drink.  Although if at all possible I might make them eat plastic.  Even if I can't do the latter, the next release will allow me to vastly improve the LEGO mod.
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2009, 08:33:09 pm »

Maybe with all this extra meat dwarfs will start to eat more. Of course than they would waste all their time going to the food stock pile, maybe they could carry a season or two worth of food with them?
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2009, 08:53:04 pm »

Indeed. 10 arbitrary units of meat, although 10 arbitrary units of meat from 2 elephant lungs does seem a bit excessive. I dunno though, lungs are pretty large.

I think you are underestimating the size of the beast here. In the real world, butchering an elephant is going to provide roughly a thousand times the food as one gets from butchering a cat.

I couldn't find a good number for lung weight, but an elephant's brain weighs in the neighborhood of 11 pounds. That's around 2 pounds/unit for those prepared elephant brains [5].
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2009, 09:01:00 pm »

Indeed. 10 arbitrary units of meat, although 10 arbitrary units of meat from 2 elephant lungs does seem a bit excessive. I dunno though, lungs are pretty large.

I think you are underestimating the size of the beast here. In the real world, butchering an elephant is going to provide roughly a thousand times the food as one gets from butchering a cat.

I couldn't find a good number for lung weight, but an elephant's brain weighs in the neighborhood of 11 pounds. That's around 2 pounds/unit for those prepared elephant brains [5].
...IT'S 2.2! Have we stumbled on the conversion factor? Is a unit of meat a kilogram?
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2009, 05:49:10 am »

Indeed. 10 arbitrary units of meat, although 10 arbitrary units of meat from 2 elephant lungs does seem a bit excessive. I dunno though, lungs are pretty large.

I think you are underestimating the size of the beast here. In the real world, butchering an elephant is going to provide roughly a thousand times the food as one gets from butchering a cat.

I couldn't find a good number for lung weight, but an elephant's brain weighs in the neighborhood of 11 pounds. That's around 2 pounds/unit for those prepared elephant brains [5].
...IT'S 2.2! Have we stumbled on the conversion factor? Is a unit of meat a kilogram?

Elephants have a kilogram of nervous tissue?
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Re: Butcher's shop in the dev_now
« Reply #88 on: December 08, 2009, 05:54:33 am »

Elephants have a kilogram of nervous tissue?

In their spinal cord?  That sounds about right.  For a rough estimate -- the human spinal cord weighs 35 g; an african elephant weighs about 5000 kg, making it about 60 times as heavy as a human; the expected weight of its spinal cord is about 2 kg.
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« Reply #89 on: December 08, 2009, 06:04:29 am »

Elephants have a kilogram of nervous tissue?

In their spinal cord?  That sounds about right.  For a rough estimate -- the human spinal cord weighs 35 g; an african elephant weighs about 5000 kg, making it about 60 times as heavy as a human; the expected weight of its spinal cord is about 2 kg.

If we're looking at the spinal cord, then that's pretty reasonable (and that you could get it out in butchering).
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