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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2009, 10:47:51 pm »

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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2009, 11:07:51 pm »

Ignoring ways to prevent pregnancy after a rape (Which you do to avoid STDs)

Wait, what? Emergency contraception doesn't affect whether or not you caught Syphilis off of some lowlife. They both can be stopped PRE-intercourse with a condom, but after the event, it's a little different.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2009, 11:20:17 pm »

Ok Lord Dakoth...
The consequence of being a pregnant teen is...being a pregnant teen. OR going through the stress of aborting a child. It's not like abortion is some problem-free easy way out. You have to live with the fact that you were irresponsible(or the condom broke), that you got an abortion(which can have a severe impact) and if people found out, the humiliation of people knowing you were A)pregnant and B)aborted the baby.

Also teen pregnancy most often happens in the lower class. Let's punish already poor people by making them have to pay for a very expensive baby because they couldn't abort it, and adoption agencies/orphanages are already full enough!

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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2009, 11:36:00 pm »

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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2009, 11:44:14 pm »

One other thing, that I haven't noticed come up, is abortions for medical reasons.

Female puberty begins relatively early. It's possible for a young girl to get pregnant well before their bodies can actually carry the child. Carrying the child to term could lead to major complications, that present serious risk to the life of both mother and child. In situations such as this, an abortion could save the mother's life.
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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2009, 11:49:43 pm »

One other thing, that I haven't noticed come up, is abortions for medical reasons.

Female puberty begins relatively early. It's possible for a young girl to get pregnant well before their bodies can actually carry the child. Carrying the child to term could lead to major complications, that present serious risk to the life of both mother and child. In situations such as this, an abortion could save the mother's life.
What I find utterly hypocritical about abortion is the fact that the fetus is nothing more than a collection of cells are the early stages yet they claim its valuable life. You kill tons of cells every day, why are they not more valuable.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2009, 11:58:01 pm »

One other thing, that I haven't noticed come up, is abortions for medical reasons.

Female puberty begins relatively early. It's possible for a young girl to get pregnant well before their bodies can actually carry the child. Carrying the child to term could lead to major complications, that present serious risk to the life of both mother and child. In situations such as this, an abortion could save the mother's life.
What I find utterly hypocritical about abortion is the fact that the fetus is nothing more than a collection of cells are the early stages yet they claim its valuable life. You kill tons of cells every day, why are they not more valuable.

Its not considered a fetus until its somewhat developed where it gets very ethically gray. Emergency contraception is used while its still a small number of cells and usually not considered abortion.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2009, 12:38:31 am »

Considering the country was based upon the religious values of it's founders, I don't see much of a problem with it...

Which founding father are you talking about, the atheist, the diest, or the sarcastic philanderer?
And seeing that taken together these various insurgents and slaveholders created a document that explicitly demanded the separation of church and state, I fail to see where this myth of these "christian values of our forefathers" has emerged from, other than the cesspit of the News corporation.

It is my firmly held belief that the only way that the united states, and each and every public servant within it, should work with religion is to ensure that each and every faith, creed, and philosophy is allowed to flourish to the fullest extent that does not interfere with the inalienable rights of others.

The description of these rights is a vague and dangerous thing; it in and of itself skirts the territory of philosophy and religion. I think it is not, however, impossible to create a simple system of rules that allows for these freedoms. At the very least, we know that the freedom to live life must exist, and so a religion built around human sacrifice- or, at least, unwilling human sacrifice- would violate those rights, and it would be within the duty of government to stop it.

If however (to pick a topic at random), a cult existed centering around the harvesting and consumption of hypnotic fungi, and this material proved not to have harmful effects that where not known to the users or other long-term effects, then the government would be powerless to stop it.

As a practical application of this, it is the privilege of a church, temple, synagogue, etc.,to teach followers, not the duty of government provided schools.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2009, 12:51:48 am »

or, at least, unwilling human sacrifice

I applaud you for recognizing that a right to X implies a right to Not X.  Some people (e.g. those in favor of mandatory voting -- not a derail;  just the first example that came to mind, actually) fail to understand this.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2009, 12:54:19 am »

Considering the country was based upon the religious values of it's founders, I don't see much of a problem with it...

Which founding father are you talking about, the atheist, the diest, or the sarcastic philanderer?
And seeing that taken together these various insurgents and slaveholders created a document that explicitly demanded the separation of church and state, I fail to see where this myth of these "christian values of our forefathers" has emerged from, other than the cesspit of the News corporation.

It's been around longer than that, believe me. Look at the 1950's, when we started getting afraid of those godless Commies and putting "IN GOD WE TRUST" on everything and editing God into the Pledge of Allegiance.

Amusingly enough, people will belittle you for using the phrase "separation of Church and State" even though those are the terms that Jefferson and Madison (who wrote the damn thing) used themselves.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2009, 01:07:30 am »

Ignoring ways to prevent pregnancy after a rape (Which you do to avoid STDs)

Wait, what? Emergency contraception doesn't affect whether or not you caught Syphilis off of some lowlife. They both can be stopped PRE-intercourse with a condom, but after the event, it's a little different.

There is ONE Thing you can do afterwords to prevent an STD... MIND YOU, it isn't a simple proceedure.

Basically you pump a woman's stuff out. Your supposed to get one after a rape.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2009, 01:12:48 am »

I doubt that a post-rape curettage has much effect on the transmission of STDs. In fact, it's the first time I've heard of this concept.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2009, 01:18:33 am »

It might help, but by how much? Probably depends on the timeframe.
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2009, 01:20:22 am »

It might help, but by how much? Probably depends on the timeframe.

And the nature of the STD
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Re: Religious/Catholic influence on politics (In US)
« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2009, 02:14:26 am »

Sounds rather dubious. By the time you are in a position to do it it will have been a while. Bear in mind that the woman will have been in contact with the fluids from the first moment (and not only in the uterus, for that matter).
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