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[Toastergargletop]

Hi there dwarf modders.  im way (way) new to the forums, so excuse me if i stuff up

so, i have been wondering about adding in slavery to my game.  the ability to not only tame and train animals but the other races in DF.

the way it would work is that you could capture enemies and effectivley incorporate them into your fort.  they would be able to do tasks (such as mine and be recruits, although they could be more like war-animals), maybe even earn their way out of slavery and become part of your fortress.

they would have seperate happyness, and the death of a slave would only effect the wider dwarven population if the slave was liked enough by the dwarfs. (if tht makes sense).  to balance out the whole thing, the 'slave happyness' might be used to create slave uprisings ect.

is this possible DF modders?

[G-Flex]

You're talking about modding entire new social structures and all their ramifications into DF. This isn't possible.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with the contents of the raw files in order to get a feel for what you can and can't edit yourself.


I have heard of people putting the [PET] tags on intelligent creatures to make them trainable, but I forget what the results are. You might want to do a search on the forums to see if you come up with anything.

[Deon]

You can add  [COMMON_DOMESTIC] to dwarves to purchase them from start and trade them from caravans. But don't add PET, it disables jobs.

[Raphite1]

You can add  [COMMON_DOMESTIC] to dwarves to purchase them from start and trade them from caravans. But don't add PET, it disables jobs.

.... wow! Do these purchased dwarves behave, and are they controlled, like normal community members?

[Karik]

Would be cool to have slavery, esp if you do the dark dwarves mod would make sense, but would also be good to have slaves do limited tasks, like they could farm/gather plants/mine/masons/chop trees/be soldiers, but they have limits to how high they can train skills etc.  So a bunch of mediocre crossbowmen, or a bunch of masons to build your walls, all that funness

[Great Cthulhu]

Why should slaves be limited in their skill levels? Sure, you probably don't want your slaves to be particularly skilled in dangerous skills, but I see no reason why it's inherently impossible for them to achieve those levels. Makes for interesting stories too. Particularly if your economy becomes dependent on slave labour.

[Toastergargletop]

why do some races have the ethics tags for slavery? is it included at least in a small way into the game?

i had an idea last night; perhaps i could just make slave versions or the races, and do what deon said and tag them as [common_domestic]. so slave dwarfs, slave elfs, slave humans, slave goblins etc.  make them up as trainable craetures that can learn and are able to use items.

would there be some way of changing captured enemies INTO these slave races (like with a reaction tag?)

[shadowsofwhite]

Certain races have the ethics:slavery tag, because during wars, etcetera, during worldgen, those civilizations have a probability of taking slaves. If you have ever adventured into goblin fortresses, chances are you have found slaves from other races, or even of other goblin civilizations. I believe it has little use beyond this.

[Doomshifter]

Certain races have the ethics:slavery tag, because during wars, etcetera, during worldgen, those civilizations have a probability of taking slaves. If you have ever adventured into goblin fortresses, chances are you have found slaves from other races, or even of other goblin civilizations. I believe it has little use beyond this.

Ooh, I found a human town that had an elf slave in it once. It was funny, because the slave was technically the last elf in the ENTIRE WORLD, and was the king of his civ.

[Toastergargletop]

but could a reaction be made to turn captured entities into a slave version of their race?

[darkflagrance]

You can't use macro creatures in reactions or produce non-vermin from them.

[Toastergargletop]

damn. any idea why?  what about using a caged creature?

[G-Flex]

The reason why is the game just doesn't support it yet and isn't meant to. I forget what happens if you try.

It doesn't matter if the creature is caged.

[LegoLord]

I forget what happens if you try.

For reagents, it disables the reaction.  For the product, you get a vermin.  Vermin are technically teleporting items flagged as targets of the [VERMINHUNTER] tag.  Reactions are only designed to use and create items, and nothing else.  Hence why vermin are made and only vermin are used.

There is also nothing in the product or reagent definition tags that provides room for contents.  I assume the reason for this is so that you don't have a reaction that produces, say, a stone filled with cheese; the cheese would probably be inaccessible due to stones not being proper container items (but this is just a guess).