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[dakarian]

Ok, now to put this all together:

1. we have two mediums, and now we know why they knew they existed but not who they were.  I still believe it's way too ballsy to fake.

2. leaf, I spotted the argument over why I didn't Vig anyone and answered it, then noticed that you posted and replied to you.  I spotted Toony's claim afterwards but shrugged it off because I didn't do anything so I didn't expect a PM.  When you posted that I should have a PM, I had to look back to find it.  Note that Chatmafia AND my own games don't inform unless there's a block.
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As far as Toony vs Frelock, I'll need a scan on both.   However, rolewise, I do notice something:

1. Frelock decided to counterclaim AFTER Toonyman made his claim
2. His block choice didn't make sense.  Blocking ExKirby because web casted suspicion on him when he was screaming for my head by the end of the day.

You might be a roleblocker, Vector will be able to confirm, but your choices seem wrong. 

[Vector]

You're scum, aren't you?

The only way you'd know if I were an Operative or not would be if you were, in fact, a Dopp.

You might be a roleblocker, Vector will be able to confirm, but your choices seem wrong. 

There is entirely too much certainty in that statement.  The rest of the crowd is uncertain, but for some reason you seem to "know," and my rolecoppery would fully confirm him.  Odd indeed.

Dakarian.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
A_Fey_Dwarf: RedWarrior0
Frelock: ToonyMan
Neruz: forsaken1111
dakarian: Vector
ToonyMan: Frelock, Leafsnail

[dakarian]

He claimed you had a mind shield.   You can confirm if you had a mind shield or not. 

Meanwhile, ExKirby had claimed he was an Operative and was going to act based on it. 


Claiming that you had a mind shield without actually trying is pretty risky, whether you are an Operative or not.  As for whether you ARE one, Pandarsenic would need to explain this quote from AFD

Also something interesting you may want to know is that pandarsenic disowns ExKirby. He claims that ExKirby is not and was not his operative.

Now, if you AREN'T the operative, then lynching you as the first scum will show whether he is a roleblocker: then it would just be a matter of which roleblocker is scum.

[forsaken1111]

As for whether you ARE one, Pandarsenic would need to explain this quote from AFD

Also something interesting you may want to know is that pandarsenic disowns ExKirby. He claims that ExKirby is not and was not his operative.

Now, if you AREN'T the operative, then lynching you as the first scum will show whether he is a roleblocker: then it would just be a matter of which roleblocker is scum.

Ah damn, I missed that quote from pandar. That does change things a bit... enough that I'm willing to unvote and vote Vector. Pandar has no reason to lie and try to get his agent killed, and no townie would claim operative.

[forsaken1111]

Assuming AFD isn't scum medium trying to get us to lynch an op instead of a dop?

[Vector]

That's also assuming that ExKirby isn't the sort of moron who claims Jester when he's actually a VT.

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He's that sort of moron (Color Mafia; I think he's fakeclaimed oddly elsewhere, too).  I'm a VT with a Mind Shield.  I'm pretty sure he got bored and decided he wanted to screw around.

[dakarian]

1. That confirms that Frelock is a roleblocker.

2. That explains Pandar's statement

3. ExKirby did claim Jester that time, but a full on fakeclaim of being an Operative with actions?  Then when we find out you are a VT with a mind shield?  When an Operative can still win with the Exterminator by holding their 1 kill and surviving to the end?

Sidenote: I make note that though ExKirby said he'll NK at first, he ended up balking and accepting to investigate afterwards, arguing with Web when web said to NK instead.  It suggests he didn't NK because he doesn't HAVE his own NK.
Vector I call fowl. 

[forsaken1111]

That's also assuming that ExKirby isn't the sort of moron who claims Jester when he's actually a VT.

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He's that sort of moron (Color Mafia; I think he's fakeclaimed oddly elsewhere, too).  I'm a VT with a Mind Shield.  I'm pretty sure he got bored and decided he wanted to screw around.

This sounds more like someone inheriting a bad situation and is trying to backpedal.

[Vector]

That's also assuming that ExKirby isn't the sort of moron who claims Jester when he's actually a VT.

...

He's that sort of moron (Color Mafia; I think he's fakeclaimed oddly elsewhere, too).  I'm a VT with a Mind Shield.  I'm pretty sure he got bored and decided he wanted to screw around.

This sounds more like someone inheriting a bad situation and is trying to backpedal.

Yeah--the bad situation where some moron townie decided to toot his own horn and claimed a bit too much.  Why would any real operative say "Hey, dudes, I'm working with the town BUT WAIT I ACTUALLY CAN'T/WON'T DO ANYTHING haha"?  It's stupid.

Sidenote: I make note that though ExKirby said he'll NK at first, he ended up balking and accepting to investigate afterwards, arguing with Web when web said to NK instead.  It suggests he didn't NK because he doesn't HAVE his own NK.

Right, because I'm a VT and ExKirby is an irritating jerk with an inflated sense of self-importance.  BLORGH.

Operatives have a one-shot NK.  It suggests that ExKirby didn't NK because he doesn't HAVE his NK, i.e. he's Vanilla and useless.

[forsaken1111]

That's also assuming that ExKirby isn't the sort of moron who claims Jester when he's actually a VT.

...

He's that sort of moron (Color Mafia; I think he's fakeclaimed oddly elsewhere, too).  I'm a VT with a Mind Shield.  I'm pretty sure he got bored and decided he wanted to screw around.

This sounds more like someone inheriting a bad situation and is trying to backpedal.

Yeah--the bad situation where some moron townie decided to toot his own horn and claimed a bit too much.  Why would any real operative say "Hey, dudes, I'm working with the town BUT WAIT I ACTUALLY CAN'T/WON'T DO ANYTHING haha"?  It's stupid.

Why would a townie go "Hey guys I'm the Op, a traditionally Anti-Town role. Haha!"

Yeah, they wouldn't.

[dakarian]

Vanilla and useless or Scum and only has the scum-based NK to use. 

What would ExKirby had done the next day when no kill happened?  Claim he was blocked?  Jester was a fool role to claim but that was much easier than claiming you had powers you didn't.

[Vector]

Why would a townie go "Hey guys I'm the Op, a traditionally Anti-Town role. Haha!"

Yeah, they wouldn't.

Again--he's done it before.  I'm not surprised he did it again.

Vanilla and useless or Scum and only has the scum-based NK to use. 

What would ExKirby had done the next day when no kill happened?  Claim he was blocked?  Jester was a fool role to claim but that was much easier than claiming you had powers you didn't.

No idea.  His brain is not my brain, and unfortunately I can't go ask him what in the hell he was thinking.  I can only guess at his intentions and plans, which seem self-centered and half-baked, respectively.

[Neruz]

Vector, i knew i didn't believe ExKirby's Operative claim, and this both proves and cements it. You sir, are scum, and Vector, you should have gone along with ExKirby's claim, at the moment you sound like someone who's desperately trying to backpedal to save himself, and that is a fairly solid scumtell there; Townies tend to push forward, rather than run back.

[Vector]

Vector, i knew i didn't believe ExKirby's Operative claim, and this both proves and cements it. You sir, are scum, and Vector, you should have gone along with ExKirby's claim, at the moment you sound like someone who's desperately trying to backpedal to save himself, and that is a fairly solid scumtell there; Townies tend to push forward, rather than run back.

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Why in the hell would I go along with someone's ridiculous meanderings?  I'm town, damn it.  T-O-W-N.

If I were a dopp, then yes.  It would be better to go along with ExKirby's claim.  As a townie, it's just dumb.

(And I still think Dakarian is scum)