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[Neruz]

even though he's an anti-town faction and we can't win while he's still alive?

Did I miss something in the rules? I thought town win occured when the dopps died.

I'm pretty sure the town can't win while the Exterminator is still alive. I could be mistaken.



I'm fine with his reason for lurking, i'm calling bullshit on his Operative claim. I'm also starting to wonder if i'm seeing three of the scum here with ExKirby, webadict and forsaken.

[forsaken1111]

I'm pretty sure the town can't win while the Exterminator is still alive. I could be mistaken.

The exterminator is dead. Are you even playing? He died day 1. I killed him.

  As you debate the merits of killing off Pandarsenic, he makes a gasping noise. You look over to see the point of a sharpened stake jutting from his chest, it's point slick with yellow ichor. With a gurgling sound he pitches forward onto the ground. Behind him sits a small tracked robot with some sort of piston-hammer arm that the spike was attached to. Looks like he's been assassinated!

  As this realization dawns on you, people being to dive for cover to get away from his bomb. But the camp stays silent, and after a bit you decide it is safe to examine the body. Looking it over, you can see that some sort of holographic technology was hiding his true form from you. He was obviously an alien being of some sort. He also has an array of strange alien weaponry on him. This was no Survivor...this was an Exterminator! Whoever killed him...may have just saved many lives.

  Breathing a sigh of relief, you turn back to the issue at hand. Finding the rest of the monsters out to kill you.

[Neruz]

Your last post prompted me to go back and look through your previous posts forsaken, and i'm now almost 100% certain you are scum. You haven't been scumhunting, you've been lynchhunting. You've been trying to get someone, anyone lynched. You leapt onto Org when it became apparant that i wasn't going to be lynched, and then leapt onto me when i made a mistake, then when it became apparant that the rest of the town wasn't going to bandwagon me into a quick lynch, you leapt off me and onto ExKirby when he started garnering a bit of a following and looked like being the next lynch. Then the instant i showed weakness, you flip-flopped back onto me.

Your last few posts have contributed nothing to the discussion, merely echoing the sentiments of others. They've had absolutely no content in them whatsoever, even your last post was average at best and appears to be defending a self-proclaimed serial killer alignment.

Huge FoS on forsaken, he's repeatedly aimed for the easy lynch rather than actually scumhunting, has shown more than a little buddying, very little content in his posts (and what content is there is mostly attempting to look like scumhunting while actually not) and is now defending one of the worst roleclaims i've ever seen.


--FAKE EDIT--

The exterminator is dead. Are you even playing? He died day 1. I killed him.

Go take a look at the Operative's victory condition.

Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead

The only blind one here is you, attempting to seriously defend a anti-town role and an incredibly WIFOMmy claim.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

To Meph: Does the exterminator/pandarsenic still win if the operator is in the final two? How does/can the operator meet it's win condition if the exterminator is dead.

To Neruz: Why would someone fake claim a role that is harmful to the town? ExKirby is asking to be lynched, he does not benefits from that... Why would you want to fake claim it. Even if it were some magnificent gambit that has managed to trick us all, no offense, but I doubt ExKirby has the capabilities of pulling that off. I almost sure he is operative. I would be 100% sure if it weren't for the way he claimed with the whole half hearted

I'm the Observer or whatever

.

The operative does have some protown abilities, his inspections and block would be very useful. Tell us ExKirby, what was your action and result from last night?
If I gather anymore information that suggests ExKirby is fake claiming I suggest we should lynch him.
If Exkirby as operative can win with the exterminator, opposing the towns victory then I suggest we keep him for a night or two so he can use his inspects to help the town as he claimed. Then we kill him after he has used his useful abilities.
If Exkirby as operative can no longer meet any win conditions that are mutually exclusive with town victory I suggest we keep ExKirby as long as we can.

For now, unvote until ExKirby or meph answer.

[Neruz]

To Neruz: Why would someone fake claim a role that is harmful to the town? ExKirby is asking to be lynched, he does not benefits from that... Why would you want to fake claim it. Even if it were some magnificent gambit that has managed to trick us all, no offense, but I doubt ExKirby has the capabilities of pulling that off. I almost sure he is operative. I would be 100% sure if it weren't for the way he claimed with the whole half hearted

I'm the Observer or whatever

.

I think it's full of WIFOM, by claiming Operative he is admitting he is anti-town, but he's also claiming an extremely powerful role for scum. All he has to do is say 'oh hey, i investigated ScumBuddy Y last night and he was Town' and the Town is now in deep shit. The potential for WIFOM here is humongous, doubly so since we only have his word that he's actually going to be acting pro-town. That claim is just far too dangerous to keep alive and has the potential to throw the entire town into chaos and seriously undermine any chance we have at a reasonable game.


I'm amazed you havn't seen the WIFOM potential for that claim.

[forsaken1111]

I voted you because you were trying with all your might to get me lynched but had no reason for it. I switched to ExKirby because the man hadn't said a single thing of any use the entire day, and had been fairly quiet day 1. Lurking is a scumtell, and I was once again correct. I revoted you for opposing someone who could so obviously help the town. He will die eventually, but for now he is a known quality and not of much danger. Your whole argument against me is a huge WIFOM to distract from the fact that you've been acting scummy from day 1, and have done NOTHING to help the town out while I have killed the exterminator and got the Op to claim. Stop the tunnel-vision on me and start scumhunting, you're making it too obvious.

[Neruz]

You thought that was 'all my might'? I was just poking you and watching in half-puzzled bemusement as you continued to escalate your defences way beyond what is normal and reasonable for a townie.

And he's a 'known quality'? What?

[forsaken1111]

The exterminator is dead. Are you even playing? He died day 1. I killed him.

Go take a look at the Operative's victory condition.

Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead

The only blind one here is you, attempting to seriously defend a anti-town role and an incredibly WIFOMmy claim.

Wait, I'm blind because you think the operator might win by himself?

[Neruz]

I have a rhetorical question for everyone. Lets say Person X, who was a part of this game, suddenly posts this:

Hey guys, look, i'm going to come clean. I'm Mafia, and my Mafia Buddies are Person Z, Person A and Person Y, yeah, i'm anti-town, but i've decided to throw my lot in with you, i'll be in your side now and help you guys win.

How would you react?



--FAKE EDIT--

Wait, I'm blind because you think the operator might win by himself?

Um, no, you're blind because you think the operative is somehow on our side.

[forsaken1111]

The op has no real recourse. He cannot win himself, so if he wants to affect the outcome at all he must pick a side. And no, I don't think he is on our side, because I believe you are scum.

And if that wasn't your reasoning, why did you have me go look at the op's win condition? The loss of the exterminator pretty much invalidates those, as they only possible way he could win would be to carefully whittle down the town and mafia, keeping them balanced, until only 3 remain and then vote-lynch one while using his kill on the other. His win conditions no longer matter.

I have a rhetorical question for everyone. Lets say Person X, who was a part of this game, suddenly posts this:

Hey guys, look, i'm going to come clean. I'm Mafia, and my Mafia Buddies are Person Z, Person A and Person Y, yeah, i'm anti-town, but i've decided to throw my lot in with you, i'll be in your side now and help you guys win.

How would you react?

In that case I'd likely vote to lynch the guy and ask someone to investigate Z, A, and Y. That scenario is nothing like this. This is more like an alien scientist suddenly being unable to win because the only other alien died. He cannot win, so he may as well throw in with one side or the other.

I have in no way decided that ExKirby is pro-town but he does have some abilities we could use should he decide to share information. If he doesn't, we kill him. Its likely the dopps will do that for us anyway now, as I doubt they will want us having those abilities.

[Neruz]

ExKirby may have abilities useful to the town, but how can we trust him?

[forsaken1111]

Any information is better than no information, and if we follow his advice once and his information is wrong he gets lynched as he will have confirmed that he is either lying, scum, working for scum, or all of the above.

[Neruz]

And he will have delayed us at least one day and potentially made us mislynch a townie.

Your plan works out great when you fail to account for the fact that we are operating on a limited timeframe.

[forsaken1111]

So how exactly does lynching him help us? It still delays us, the dopps get another kill while we lynch someone who probably isn't one. He may normally be anti-town but I don't think he has to die for us to win.

[Neruz]

It's the safe option, and is also less delay. If he lies, then we mislynch a townie, then we lynch him in response, if we just lynch him now we don't have to deal with his WIFOM and we don't mislynch a townie.

As a townie, you should be all for avoiding WIFOM, WIFOM is how the scum win and how the town lose, if you start drinking the wine then you lose, because at that point you're playing their game. The fact that you seem to be fine with the truely apocriphical levels of WIFOM involved in ExKirby's claim makes me seriously doubt you, as only the scum are comfortable with WIFOM.