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[Neruz]

Backpedalling furiously is just plain dumb no matter which side you're on.

[Vector]

Backpedalling furiously is just plain dumb no matter which side you're on.

So you think I should keep going "Hey, I'm an operative HURHUR?"  If I have knowledge of a lie that has been perpetuated, I should not reveal it?

That's nonsensical.

[Neruz]

Actually to be honost there's not really anything you can do in that situation, that much wine and the potentials it holds is just way too dangerous to keep alive, especially since given the claim, the odds heavily favour you being Scum, not town.

[forsaken1111]

Actually with #1 scum Neruz backing your lynch, I suspect you may be telling the truth Vector.

Have you any proof at all?

[Vector]

Actually to be honost there's not really anything you can do in that situation, that much wine and the potentials it holds is just way too dangerous to keep alive, especially since given the claim, the odds heavily favour you being Scum, not town.

*shrug*

At the very least, I can try.  Odds are odds, but the truth is the truth.

Actually with #1 scum Neruz backing your lynch, I suspect you may be telling the truth Vector.

Have you any proof at all?

I don't have any definitive proof, but I know two somebodies tried psychic action on me N2.  Other than that... no, nothing.  Sorry.

[Neruz]

Wait, two somebodies? Frelock admitted to roleblocking you, but i don't think anyone else had any actions on you last night.

On the upside, that mostly confirms Frelock as a Warden.

[Vector]

That's correct, two.

Darn it, I need some time to go back and reread through this mess.

[Neruz]

Interesting, so who else was trying to mess with what was supposidly a pro-town asset.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

I am a psychic warden.

Night 1 - rickvoid did it, Meph says I blocked Frelock.
Night 2 - Blocked dakarian.

We should all claim guys.  Mylo is the same as lylo in all essence.

Thank you for understanding toonyman. Added to list. Dakarain, how come you did not claim being pysch wardened that night?

Unvote.

Even if we lynch ExKirby and he is operative, the scum kills a townie in the night, we are left with 9 players tomorrow, 4 of which are dopp and one is likely an alien, leaving only 4 town. The scum can quite easily win in such a situation.

Wait... what alien?  We can't possibly have a scientist (he's basically lost now if there is one, anyway) so that just leaves Survivor... and survivor isn't always going to be anti town.  Also, since Pandar probably had intel (Personal Shield + Intel seems like the best choice to me) it would be stupid of him to claim a role that isn't in the game.  And you know what?  I don't think webadict would make this mistake, A_Fey_Dwarf.

That is completely ridiculous, I was taking into account that there is still a high chance that there is a third alien as most previous games have had around 3 aliens. How am I scum for making this assumption? We must MC now while we still can. The dopps could also have an assassin bot and insta win tomorrow with it.
That is also the worst reasoning I have ever heard for Panda claiming survivor. How is it stupid to claim a role not in the game? He claimed it because it fit in well with his whole exterminator bomb bluff. Not because he knew there was one already in play.

I reckon you're the soul Dopp medium, claiming there's another for WIFOM purposes.

If I was the sole dopp medium then how come webadict is giving me information?

I agree; an MC would only give the dopps more info on who to kill; not that they'd really need it, what with a claimed vig, there's very little that would be considered better kills.

That's assuming that there's no doctor AND that dakarian is town.

MC also gives the town information that it so dearly needs. Also why are you hinting for he doctor to protect dakarain who you were already suspicious of and that had an unprovable claim that is obviously fake?

FoS Leafsnail Is it really that hard to understand the merits of MCing now? Why are you so against it? I'll tell you why, because you are a mad scientist dopp with assassin bot who doesn't know what to claim. Instead you are waiting for everyone else to claim and fit your claim in with that.

AFD: You claim town medium, saying there's another medium. Do you believe this other medium is scum? If so, who is he? Why haven't you done anything about it?

As for the MC, I'm an Observant Guard. Night One, webadict. Night Two, AFD. Nothing either night.

 
I hadn't done anything about it because I didn't know his identity. He was going as anonymous in dead chat. Previously I did believe he was scum thinking it was highly improbable of two town mediums but as the game has progressed and kashyyk has claimed I am seeing him as town.
Also claim added to list.

Alright AFD. I counter claim. I'm the other medium. And I do agree with his post on situations.
*snip*
The one thing that AFD didn't consider is the fact that there are two town mediums. I suspect there maybe as I'm a Kook. To me, this equals out the points gained from a second medium. However, because AFD didn't include this option, it can not be ruled out that he is scum.

Yes you are counter claiming but only because webadict revealed your identity in dead chat. You forgot to include that in your post. Though you do have a point about being kook medium it definitly makes the mediums less poweful. Also two town mediums is worse than having one, as they immediately don't trust each other and no information is given. Added claim to the list.

AFD, if you were calling for a massclaim, why didn't you name the other medium?

Because I didn't have his identity.

Secondly, I've thought of another scenario.  You're both scum.  Sure, it's unlikely you're both mediums, but there's every chance of AFD giving you a couple of quotes to throw into the thread and "prove" that you're a medium.

Thinking outside the box, very far fetched but  I suppose that would be a possibility if I were scum and actually around during the time to tell kashyyk these quotes. But you see I haven't accessed my computer since my last post so that is pretty much imposable from my viewpoint as webadict said these things while I was away.

Also, if you are really are the mediums, would you mind asking Janus why he inspected someone claiming kook?

Already answered. Twice. Why do you keep coming up with these questions that have already been answered?

Also, why is webadict calling for a massclaim while not revealing his own information?

He wanted to figure it all out on his own and take credit for it. As only he had the information messaged to him from jim and he wanted to post who to lynch with this information without giving it to the town. He has however revealed it to help my case:

Actually, to be fair, you'll need to claim our actions to be believed (The ones who are hinting at you being a fake are scum): I was blocked Night 1 by mister Jim over there, so I figured he wasn't scum. Jim Groovester blocked me first Night, but I have no clue about the second Night.

In fact, I might as well tell you the other Medium is Kashyyk.

Kashyyk will either confirm this or lie. If he lies, he's a Dopp. If he doesn't he's either way.

Jim's other action was blocking me night 2 as I was ensnared by his psychic warden bonds.

Alright, this situation is worth a claim: Vote Toonyman

I too, am a psychic warden.  The first night I was blocked (hence why I asked for Jim's info; I had assumed that it was him and wanted to confirm AFD was the medium).  The second night, I blocked exkirby, who has a mindshield, I might add.

However, if you count, that makes 1,2,3 psycic wardens, one of whom we know to be town (Jim).  Since I'm town, Toony must be scum!

Wait you just confirmed Toonyman's block. So Toonyman is essentially proven to be psychic warden. So ether there are three psych wardens or you have made a fake claim slip up.
FoS Frelock

Killing off something, just to prove my claim?  I'm not going to sit around risking an early loss just to wipe out some random townie on N1, and the situation is much too grim night 2 to bother.  My best shot will come tonight and by now we should be able to get something.

You know better than that, always night kill when it won't cause instant lose for town. ALWAYS. This is the general rule of all mafia games, as it proves you are who you say you are and takes lets you as town kill with a chance of hitting the dopps rather than the dopps getting all the kills and them only hitting townies. I have a hard time believing you aren't experienced enough to know this.

Meanwhile:
Leafsnail

Lol obvious busing of scummy partner.

Given that this game looks like it might be close to over and I have a bit of free time now, I guess I'll replace ExKirby.

Warning: I'm going to have fairly minimal computer access from the 20th to the 5th, which means 1 or 2 posts per day, tops.  Hopefully that's all right with y'all.  I figure a little is better than nothing.

Welcome Vector, we all know you are an operative. ExKirby knows the rule of the game is playing to win, why would he break the rules by fakeclaiming operative and a self lynch if he were townie? Still I would prefer an actual scum lynch over an operative lynch, so I'll leave you for later. I'm pretty sure panda is just playing stupid by posting that ExKirby is not his buddy, he was angry that the assassin bot killed him.

Also list of claims:
It goes:
*Player name - role claim - action claim - order
Alive (11, 4 dopps, ? alien(s))
    * ToonyMan/Rickvoid - Psych warden - blocked frelock n1,  dakarian n2. (5th)
    * Leafsnail - Hasn't claimed
    * forsaken1111 - Mad scientist (assassin bot), kook - killed Panda - (1st)
    * Frelock - Psych warden - was blocked
    * RedWarrior0 - Observant guard - n1 web, n2 fey (6th)
    * Neruz - Hasn't claimed
    * ExKirby/replacement - Alien Operative - Not claimed (2nd) Vanilla townie with mind shield.
    * Kashyyk - Medium - N/A/ - (7th)
    * MagmaDeath - Hasn't claimed
    * dakarian - Vig - noned n1 and n2 - (4th)
    * A_Fey_Dwarf - Medium - N/A - (3rd)

Dead (5, 1 alien)
    * Pandarsenic - Alien Exterminator - N/A
    * JanusTwoFace - Human Agent - Investigated Foresaken n1, dopp
    * webadict - Human Telepath - was blocked n1
    * Org - Human Enchanter - N/A
    * Jim Groovester - Human Psychic Warden - Blocked webadict n1, A_Fey_dwarf n2



I will end my post with some quotes from Webadict in reverse chronological order (The first is his latest)

1. That confirms that Frelock is a roleblocker.

2. That explains Pandar's statement

3. ExKirby did claim Jester that time, but a full on fakeclaim of being an Operative with actions? Then when we find out you are a VT with a mind shield? When an Operative can still win with the Exterminator by holding their 1 kill and surviving to the end?

Sidenote: I make note that though ExKirby said he'll NK at first, he ended up balking and accepting to investigate afterwards, arguing with Web when web said to NK instead. It suggests he didn't NK because he doesn't HAVE his own NK.
Vector I call fowl.

HE ALSO DID THE SAME THING! OMG!

FLIPPIN' LYNCH DAKARIAN! IF YOU DO NOT I WILL KILL EVERYONE OF YOU! I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT IS HAPPENING! WHAT IS HAPPENING WHAT IS HAPPENING WHAT IS HAPPENING!!!!!!!! LYNCH HIM ANYONE AGAINST THIS IS SCUM IT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OBVIOUS!

He claimed you had a mind shield. You can confirm if you had a mind shield or not.

Meanwhile, ExKirby had claimed he was an Operative and was going to act based on it.


Claiming that you had a mind shield without actually trying is pretty risky, whether you are an Operative or not. As for whether you ARE one, Pandarsenic would need to explain this quote from AFD

Also something interesting you may want to know is that pandarsenic disowns ExKirby. He claims that ExKirby is not and was not his operative.

Now, if you AREN'T the operative, then lynching you as the first scum will show whether he is a roleblocker: then it would just be a matter of which roleblocker is scum.

Doubtful. Pandarsenic is being dumb. I guess he's not useful.

So, dakarian, Frelock, Leafsnail.

Those three are known scum. They're also doing very, very bad.

Next is the last scum, which is either Neruz or forsaken1111.

Alright, for the moment, I'm pretty sure Dak is town. Why? Because Toony must have blocked him, unless he noned; I doubt that. I also doubt he blocked someone who was killed, because we have 2 mediums and the chances of them both being scum is low. Unless anyone else wants to claim they were blocked (and Jim would verify that he didn't block said person). Therefore, Dak and Toony are on separate teams.

So, I'm throwing my lot in here; if you think Dak's scum, then Toony's town and I'm scum.
If Dak's town, then Toony's scum and I'm town<-Real Case

I'm sorry web, but you're wrong about Dak; dead wrong .

Go suck a lemon:

Killing off something, just to prove my claim? I'm not going to sit around risking an early loss just to wipe out some random townie on N1, and the situation is much too grim night 2 to bother. My best shot will come tonight and by now we should be able to get something.

I'm glad you're trying to protect your partner and all, but he said (TWICE) that he noned!

So, go screw yourself Frelock!

Frelock has been boosted to 90% Scum.

The fact that everyone is so passive, including town, is ridiculous. The town is just letting everyone push them around. No one is fighting back and it ticks me off and I'll kill them all.

Tell webadict he's not fucking up another game for the town.

Tell Leafsnail he's a prick. He's using fallacious logic to try and disprove:
1) Me
2) Anyone who disagrees with him
3) That either of you were scum
4) He's a whorish idiot that can't remember anything about Operatives.

Dakarian and Leafsnail are scum. I can tell you that much for sure.

Frelock is about 70% scum (He's moved up about 10%.)

ToonyMan - 85% Town
Leafsnail - 95% Scum
forsaken1111 - 55% Town
Frelock - 70% Scum
RedWarrior0 - Unknown
Neruz - 65% Scum
ExKirby - Alien Operative (Pandarsenic can Confirm)
Kashyyk - Unknown
MagmaDeath - 65% Town
dakarian - 99% Scum
A_Fey_Dwarf - Unknown

These are my diagnoses for all the players. I've conveniently removed both of you Mediums for safety purposes, and so I can continue talking. But, hopefully, some of those Guards will help.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

I fully agree that both dakarain, leafsnail and frelock are scum.
Forgot to add a FoS on dakarain
To me leafsnail seems more obvious so I will vote leafsnail due to the many reasons in the previous post. Stop pretending like MC isn't good and trying to come up with a fake claim.

Also forgot to add Frelock blocked ExKirby and Exkirby was psychiced to the list of fake claims.

[Kashyyk]

Panda did say that ExKirby/Vector is not his operative.

[A_Fey_Dwarf]

Yeah but it is entirely possible panda is playing a joke, that he is unhappy that he died. Even webadict thought it.
Also if exkirby was townie and we lynch vector causing the lose of the game, I propose bannage of ExKirby from future mafia games. This sort of behavior of trying to make your own team lose is unacceptable.

It is entirely possible ExKirby is claiming town doing this as his computer breaking seems all too convenient. It is also possible he is dopp claiming op or just an op. We can not be sure.
What we can be sure of is that leafsnail and dakarain are scum. And that they need to be lynched today.

[forsaken1111]

Unvote and voting dakarian. I don't believe your claim, or that you would not use your ability at all. This, and rereading your recent actions, has me convinced that you are scum.

[Leafsnail]

I fully agree that both dakarain, leafsnail and frelock are scum.
Forgot to add a FoS on dakarain
To me leafsnail seems more obvious so I will vote leafsnail due to the many reasons in the previous post. Stop pretending like MC isn't good and trying to come up with a fake claim.

Also forgot to add Frelock blocked ExKirby and Exkirby was psychiced to the list of fake claims.

To be honest, I don't think you're scum so much anymore.  Most of my points were based on incorrect readings of the rules regarding quicktopic (I assumed that anonymous posts are banned, as they are in the main game) and those quotes do not look fabricated.  I know that webadict is wrong in at least one of his suspicions, however.

Webadict - you fucked up the last game for us.  You're not doing it again.  Understand?  I'm gonna keep fighting even if some arrogant dead moron has falsely latched onto me as scum.

In addition, why are we ignoring the Toony vs Frelock situation?  Christ, we know one of them is scum, so one of them would almost certainly be our safest option for a lynch today, unless we want to lynch Vector on ExKirby's claim (more on that later).  Now, something I have noticed since looking back at the point when they MC'd - Frelock was strongly against a Massclaim, even though he should've realised that, since he'd been blocked, there was a scum roleblocker out there.  In addition, the only proof of him being a roleblocker is his knowledge of ExKirby's mindshield - which he could've found out from a scum partner.  He has provided no reason for roleblocking ExKirby.  With that in mind, Unvote, vote Frelock.

What we can be sure of is that leafsnail and dakarain are scum. And that they need to be lynched today.

Why so sure, AFD?  After all, webadict got it dramatically wrong last game, and in several other games.  Confirmed town does not mean "confirmed right".  Actually, this is making me start to suspect you more - why so certain?

Now as for the Vector battle... personally, I think ExKirby dropped Vector right in it.  ExKirby has done stupid things in the past, but claiming a specific scum role from the list (one which can be proved) while being a vanillla townie would be a new low for him.

As for the massclaim... it's probably too late for it to be worth me not claiming.  I still don't think it's a good idea to massclaim at a possible mylo - even if we had to no lynch today, the scum now have a very good idea of who to kill over future nights.  However, might as well claim now.

I am a Heroic Guard.  I guarded Dakarian night 1, as he always seems to die night 1.  In night 2, with webby going at me in a depressingly familiar fashion to Round 11, I really didn't know who to protect, so I protected Dakarian again.  After the events of today I'd have very different targets in mind, but whatever.

FoS on those who'd rather blindly follow webadict than try and seperate two people, one of whom must be scum.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
A_Fey_Dwarf: RedWarrior0
Vector: Neruz, dakarian
Frelock: Leafsnail, ToonyMan
Leafsnail: A_Fey_Dwarf
dakarian: Vector, forsaken1111
ToonyMan: Frelock


Since MagmaDeath has vanished (and he did request a replacement), we're now looking for a replacement for MagmaDeath.