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Ampersand

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Re: Army size and errata
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 05:04:20 am »

Taiwan could kick PRC's ass. They have transformers.

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Re: Army size and errata
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 05:14:02 am »

how misleading...
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 07:03:05 am »

Invading Russia has always been historically been a bad idea. You guys should have learnt it in your whatchamacallit AP history or whatever. Anyway, Napoleon, Hitler, Mongols, King Charles, all lost the same way in Russia.

You don't invade Russia. You also never start a land war in Asia (Gen. Douglas MacArthur). These are the fundamental rules of warfare. Until someone invents a chronosphere anyway.
I resent you not including the Polish-Muscovite War. The Poles actually succeeded in taking Moscow, and put their own man on the throne.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 07:19:07 am »

The mongols won in Russia, the their empire colapsed on its own, if memory serves.


The US real combat advantage lies in the fact that we possess the best training and near top equipment. You want to claim that a Leo II or your Putin is better than an Abrams? You're wrong, but it doesn't matter. America has more trained crews, and the the tank is built so those trained crews won't die. Plus, America is the only country who still has a dominant blue water navy (The US has more carriers, all of which are full size with only one non-nuke) which greatly hampers the logistics chain of any enemy.
War on the ground is still decided by armor, and armor is very hard to move by air.

Additionally, it's not always good to be on the defensive. The Union army never had to worry about Jackson burning New York to the ground, no?
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 07:44:12 am »

Don't discount the people doing the offense too much. At some points during the first world war, using well placed artillary, the allies could mount offensives with even or even less casualties than the germans. (and then take much more casualties then the germans while defending what they'd just captured. The problem with defense is that your sitting there, forced to do it, while the army on the offense can choose the time and location of its attacks. Again, its all about, not just hte people in the highest level of command, but all people in command. Initaive is very handly on the battle field. The well planned and precise artillary barrages in WW1 were great when they worked, however when something wen't slightly slow or fast, say, the barrage finished 5 minutes early, yet the offices on the ground (we're talking captains, majors, not the genearls planning it), don't have the permission or initiative to get the offense moving then, and instead have to wait the 5 minutes after the barrage has stopped while the enemy gets ready, then you have problems, and the bloodbathes of WW1 trench warefare.

As far as army size goes, a lot of countries are high on the list due to mandatory conscription and reserve duty. During a time of war, very large proportions of able bodied males would be called up to activly serve in the miltary (eg, countries like tiwan and south korea)
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 07:54:48 am »

That reminds me, Nukes.

Russia and the United States can't be beaten, if it comes down to our survival (ignoring the inate advantages both countries possess on the defense, Russia's land and America's isolation and gun laws), both countries can blow anyone they want to kingdom come. There's a reason why there hasn't been a major conflict with one of the major powers.
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2009, 08:02:12 am »

The US real combat advantage lies in the fact that we possess the best training and near top equipment.

Possess the best training? Says who? That's a rather baseless claim and hard to prove.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2009, 08:06:07 am »

Says Strife26, you ought to be used to that now.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 08:09:26 am »

I'm dashing off to school now so I don't have time to go digging, but having the best trained troops has been a near obsession with America since we have our trice-accursed drawdown problems. After every war the army gets slashed to its core, which trains a lot.
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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2009, 09:17:09 am »

Most "first world" countries that maintain a full time military are pretty much just as well trained as the US (eg, Canada, Australia, France, GB, etc.), due to the fact that they're a full time military with large budgets. the troops can spend a lot of time training, because they have nothing else to do.
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2009, 09:29:29 am »

Most First World countries have standing armies as well trained as the US Army, because the US Army trains them. Except for Israel. Israel trains Us.
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2009, 09:31:57 am »

Again i have to disagree, we train eachother :P
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2009, 10:07:22 am »

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Russia and the United States can't be beaten, if it comes down to our survival (ignoring the inate advantages both countries possess on the defense, Russia's land and America's isolation and gun laws), both countries can blow anyone they want to kingdom come. There's a reason why there hasn't been a major conflict with one of the major powers.


If it comes down to survival, the Taliban are proving to be quite resilient without nukes. War is simply becoming too expensive to be waged without serious repercussions to everyone involved.
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2009, 11:09:15 am »

The US haven't won any wars as far as I can see, didn't join ww2 til the end, lost vietnam, lost afghanistan, lost iraq, and probably lost every other war they need to be in continuously. What does that leave, dropping a nuke on a city? Hoorah! If the US was well-trained or courageous it wouldn't need the threat of nuclear warfare. Who's afraid of a bunch of wacko scientists anyway?

Edit: fuck it, I shouldn't disregard the courage the US has shown in its conflicts, if the US can kick the shit out of the world, so be it.
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