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[Sevrun]

Sevrun...

Would you mind, you know, actually pointing to this science that "disproves" it?

And the idea of scientists participating in a global conspiracy in order to get grant money... well, it seems about as likely as all lawyers conspiring together to commit crimes and stay in work.

Lmao  I wasn't pointing to a conspiracy, I was merely implying they're as prone to greed as the rest of us.  I will however, go look around for the names of a couple that don't back it.  Terrible disappointment that I don't have links on speed-dial, so to speak, but as I said, this hasn't been a 'hot' issue for me.

And Aqizzar, I know BS when I hear it.  I'm merely pointing out that I hear enough from both sides not to believe either of them.

[LegoLord]

Honestly, no offense meant, but it seems more like you know little enough about either side to know one holds little merit.

[Sevrun]

I'm not offended, I'm bad about not speaking quite clearly enough for my actual intent to come across.  I've heard a couple of scientists talking about how it's flawed, etc.  I'll go ahead and run them down.  I've got some time tonight and it is something I've been curious about, and yes, it's something I want to know more about before I start looking at those emails if I can find them.

[Ampersand]

Try billions.  It's turned into a multi-billion dollar business, which is why they were scrambling to repackage it as 'climate change' instead of global warming after a couple of winters that were bitterly cold instead of not getting any snow.  Besides, from what I'm hearing there's science that disproves it as much as proves it.  Which makes it seem like Science-Drama to me.

There are also scientists that claim that Smoking Cigarettes does not cause lung cancer, and that The Theory of Evolution is flawed. Never mind that the first group get's all it's money from the Tobacco industry, and the second from several Evangelical organizations.

And the same goes for the anti-climate change scientists, on the payroll of the Coal and Oil industry. Can you imagine the economic disaster that would befall many of the states in the east which have entire towns with economies based around coal mining if Coal demand dropped significantly? The entire middle east would spiral into debt in two weeks if oil demand dropped significantly.

Here's the thing about science; anyone can do it. It's not like there's a secret Cabal of scientists who hold the secrets of science so no one else can do it. We're not on Mars thirty eight thousand years from now.. If you really feel that climate change is a fraud, why don't you go set up a few experiments to demonstrate that? It would only mean setting up a bunch of thermometers around the world and checking them every few months, which I can't imagine being to hard for an industry as wealthy and powerful as the Energy industry.

[Sevrun]

Ampersand...  That's exactly the point I was trying to make.

Oh yeah, Lego.  Got a few for ya, didn't take long (luckily).  http://www.scientistsfortruth.com/conferences/springfield_speakers.htm

I'd do some more browsing, but I'm afk for a while, 4 year old throwing a tantrum.

[G-Flex]

Did you look at the site you just linked to? If you want to find a group with a more firmly-implanted agenda, you probably won't find one.

[LegoLord]

One, they are against human caused global warming.  Which with current knowledge it seems like it is a natural process, and what we do is just drops in the stream, what with volcanic activity in various areas such as the Hawaiian islands throwing up so much greenhouse gas.

Two, that site doesn't actually hold much data - mostly speeches aimed at defamation of human-caused global warming hypothesis.

[Sevrun]

I dropped it on ya so you'd know what I was lookin into.  Besides, isn't it that it was man-caused the primary rallying cry of most of the scientists that are decrying it as an imminent crisis of titanic proportions?  At least that's what the first couple of sites I browsed through wanted to scream at the tops of their digital lungs.

[kuro_suna]

How much carbon dioxide does a volcano produce, I'm just  wondering because it doesn't seem like their should be that much carbon dioxide in the ground unless the magma chamber intersects a coal or oil deposit and even then it would run out fairly quickly when compared to a geological time scale.

EDIT:
before anyone calls me out I did google it but couldn't find any consistent answers

[Cthulhu]

A lot.  I remember reading somewhere that a single major eruption puts as much carbon dioxide into the air as mankind has since the industrial revolution, but that seems far-fetched so maybe I remember wrong.  Remembering right or not, I definitely remember that it's a huge amount.

[Ampersand]

According to Wikipedia, volcanos are responsible for releasing 145 million to 255 million tons of carbon dioxide each year.

Whereas the United states alone emits 21.5 tons per year.

Per capita.

21.5*300 million =  6,450,000,000 tons of CO2 per year.

[kuro_suna]

One thing to consider is that the carbon in the ground came from the air at some point so any natural processes must be releasing them around the same speed or slower than natural processes put carbon in the ground where as were definitely blowing through are fossil fuels faster than nature is creating them.

[LegoLord]

It's not just carbon dioxide, though.  Magma contains other gases, including some sulpher based gases.

[Aqizzar]

So does human pollution.  Never heard of acid rain?  As well as completely man-made stuff like CFCs.

[kuro_suna]

It's not just carbon dioxide, though.  Magma contains other gases, including some sulpher based gases.

I don't think sulphur dioxide is a significant green house gas and either way although its bad for the environment in the short term it doesn't stick around very long where as all the coal we burn may never go back into the ground due to more efficient organisms that digest wood fibres.