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[uttaku]

I always describe it as the most complicated and difficult game you will ever play, but in a good way.

[Poojawa]

I usually set it up as either

It's like the most complex game in the smallest and simplest of packages. You'll enjoy it.

Or: Imagine the game company Maxis before EA ruined them, and the goldrush of the 1800s shared notes in the back of their high school Geology class. Now mix in a little Edgar Allen Poe and a half-cup of horror films with a pinch of J.R.R Tolkin.

That's Dwarf Fortress in it's packaged state.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I quote the tvtropes article on Dwarf Fortress.

The main game is Fortress mode, which plays like a dizzyingly complex hybrid of Dungeon Keeper and The Sims, if all your little people were manic-depressive alcoholics.

Damn you.
three hours wasted.

[Hectonkhyres]

Damn you.
three hours wasted.

Only three hours? Apparently TVTropes isn't trying hard enough anymore.

[Pandarsenic]

I can manage even less in one sitting - I just have to bookmark relevant links instead of opening them.

[Danjen]

Admittedly, I found DF through TVTropes. I'm surprised none of my friends have heard of it.

[Grendus]

I quote the tvtropes article on Dwarf Fortress.

The main game is Fortress mode, which plays like a dizzyingly complex hybrid of Dungeon Keeper and The Sims, if all your little people were manic-depressive alcoholics.

And two and a half hours later, when TVTropes stops loading... damn you.

[UndergroundTree]

I describe dwarf fortress as "What everything should be" and leave it at that.


As to TVtropes, it gets easier............. after you've read everything 

[goudegamer]

I was always partial to "It's like The Sims, except instead of buying sofas, you die."
Although that was from the 2d version where staying alive was a bit more challenging.
(Without mods of course)

[Grendus]

I describe dwarf fortress as "What everything should be" and leave it at that.


As to TVtropes, it gets easier............. after you've read everything 

It's like a freakin time warp. You click the link, you look up three hours later and realize "holy shit, I just read every single defining moment of suck comment in Family Guy."

[Itnetlolor]

I describe dwarf fortress as "What everything should be" and leave it at that.


As to TVtropes, it gets easier............. after you've read everything 

It's like a freakin time warp. You click the link, you look up three hours later and realize "holy shit, I just read every single defining moment of suck comment in Family Guy."

That freaking happened to me last week (no longer a fan of Family Guy since then; even knowing much of the suck beforehand). Anyway, describing this game to just about anyone (especially the non-gamer crowd, or those addicted to flash games) is a royal pain. I have yet to get any of my siblings to play this, and any mention of it, even months since last mention, still gives me an annoyed grunt from them.

Bah, what do they know about quality gaming?

[XSI]

That's very much true, my (Younger)brother considers himself to be a gamer, but every time he looks at my screen to see DF he seems to just stop thinking while trying to figure it out, all my explanations go in one ear, and out the other, and he has settled on thinking I'm programming a part of the matrix or something.

He's one of those 'gamers' that put graphics above gameplay.

[jocan2003]

That's very much true, my (Younger)brother considers himself to be a gamer, but every time he looks at my screen to see DF he seems to just stop thinking while trying to figure it out, all my explanations go in one ear, and out the other, and he has settled on thinking I'm programming a part of the matrix or something.

He's one of those 'gamers' that put graphics above gameplay.

Sadly due to todays game standard, gamer arent those who get game for content and gameplay but for eye-candy. For today standard 3 hour of sim-game per day make yourself a gamer and i find it stupid but oh well....

To see if hes a gamer, plug-him in front of X-com serie, Stronghold ( kind-of like dwarf fortress bu a bit less complicated but still had graphic ) and few other old game, important to be ld game because in THOSE TIME game were FULL of content and LESS eye candy.. Kinda like woman now, you look better when you have an idiotic pretty girlfriend than an wise average looking girlfriend.... Thats aso what fashio and various book, publicity and such send as message... and thats what they send as message today for game too, Pretty OHHH pretty looking game but boring, look if i want a damn looking game with no content ill simply get an awesome Screener and leave my computer a while to watch it.... geezzzz....

[Itnetlolor]

He's one of those 'gamers' that put graphics above gameplay.

What a shame. It's like people these days to watch a movie about a book, and let a director illustrate an idea for them, instead of reading and coming up with their own interpretation.

Now, on that note, I'll admit I'm not much of a reader, but I'm not really the kind of person that would be able to commit to a single book or project spanning a large amount of time. But even so, I'm still willing to read through something if I like the story (The Dune series for example is always a good one to read through).

It's a shame that the attention span of our recent generations seems to be diminishing geometrically. At least, that's what I've been noticing.

And I agree with jocan2003 on that idea. To see if someone truly is a gamer; hit them with all sorts of classics. If they complain, smack them in the back of the head for their stupidity. And on the note of attractive, but no function; beauty can be compared to a cat in DF, you get less rational the closer to them you are (like the dwarves), yet butchering them is fun and useful. But overall, in essence, it's nearly guaranteed to be made of fail in a pretty package.

I mean, these days, anything pretty in itself is a rather disappointing sight (Mostly in the area of people. The case usually being that the more attractive someone looks, the less likely they are to be actually intelligent or creative, kind or rational, or even the slightest bit talented in some field.), unless some serious work was put behind it. So far, architecture and engineering are probably the only categories that remain pretty, yet functional these days. True beauty defined.

[jocan2003]

He's one of those 'gamers' that put graphics above gameplay.

What a shame. It's like people these days to watch a movie about a book, and let a director illustrate an idea for them, instead of reading and coming up with their own interpretation.

Now, on that note, I'll admit I'm not much of a reader, but I'm not really the kind of person that would be able to commit to a single book or project spanning a large amount of time. But even so, I'm still willing to read through something if I like the story (The Dune series for example is always a good one to read through).

It's a shame that the attention span of our recent generations seems to be diminishing geometrically. At least, that's what I've been noticing.

And I agree with jocan2003 on that idea. To see if someone truly is a gamer; hit them with all sorts of classics. If they complain, smack them in the back of the head for their stupidity. And on the note of attractive, but no function; beauty can be compared to a cat in DF, you get less rational the closer to them you are (like the dwarves), yet butchering them is fun and useful. But overall, in essence, it's nearly guaranteed to be made of fail in a pretty package.

I mean, these days, anything pretty in itself is a rather disappointing sight (Mostly in the area of people. The case usually being that the more attractive someone looks, the less likely they are to be actually intelligent or creative, kind or rational, or even the slightest bit talented in some field.), unless some serious work was put behind it. So far, architecture and engineering are probably the only categories that remain pretty, yet functional these days. True beauty defined.

What he said reflect all what i tried to say ( im french and sometime my sentence well s... when i try to explain an idea hehe thanks for that mate )