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Re: Twilight "Vampires"
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2009, 09:35:08 pm »

Wasn't that about an suburban, ancient, singular and decidedly very hostile vampire?
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Re: Twilight "Vampires"
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2009, 09:53:17 pm »

Wasn't that about an suburban, ancient, singular and decidedly very hostile vampire?
Vampire Lord arrives -> Town is mostly human -> Vampire lord is thirsty -> Town is all vampires except like 6 people...

Okay, They are fundamentally different.
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« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2009, 11:24:35 pm »

America as a whole isn't accepting, just this one town?
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« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2009, 11:39:51 pm »

What are you calling a vampire?

They're called sexy bastards, not Vampires.

Women are all over them.

Most people think it goes like this->
Vampire bites/plays at biting woman. Woman becomes horny.

Thats all wrong, it goes like this->
Woman thinks Vampire is hot, Vampire moves close enough to smell woman. Woman becomes horny.

The actual "bite" is pretty much ignored, though it might add a little Adrenaline.

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Re: Twilight "Vampires"
« Reply #79 on: November 28, 2009, 03:20:04 am »

Reading about Twilight, what the books actually are, thanks to this thread, has brought me that much closer to shooting myself in the head. Repeatedly. Yes, thanks to this, I now need to set up an automated system of weapons so that, when I do finally get to that point, I shoot myself enough times that my brain is turned into goo, along with every trace of my nervous system, and possibly my DNA in case that whole genetic memory thing turns out to be true.

I will now quietly weep for society.
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Re: Twilight "Vampires"
« Reply #80 on: November 28, 2009, 03:38:20 am »

As an avid reader, I hate to say this, but just read the wikipedea article.

Wait, what?
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« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2009, 04:01:56 am »

I don't know about war, but profiteering is actually a great idea.  Most people (and writers) forget that part of what made Dracula so dangerous was that centuries of meticulously hiding himself and building an estate made him a very shrewd and successful businessman.

Then I'll throw in some media savvy and mind-control, and he'll be a one-man metaphor for race-baiting, corruption, greed, and the entire military-industrial-media-corporate complex.

My God.  I think I might really, truly write this.

Yesss...

Most of my ideas are for an old D&D character, who was an immortal wizard who had been alive so long he owned everything worth owning, so I tend to fixate on a global scale.

But, yeah, the basic idea of a simple shop keeper fanning the flames.  a nudge here, a commercial there.  Spreading the homecoming queen over the school rafters their... ^_^

Also, he would have the connections to black market goods - as time goes on and things start to escalate he could use his connections to pass on the "number of a friend" to indirectly market illegal weapons into the town.
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« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2009, 03:21:56 pm »

I just don't like the idea of "If you're bit by a vampire, you become a vampire", because that's not how it worked in Bram Stoker's book. Plus, if that's how it worked, simple math shows you that it would only take a week or so for the entire world's population to become vampires.

In the original, if you were bit by a vampire, nothing special happened to you, you just got drained. You wouldn't even die as Dracula himself would only finish you off if you were a nuisance to him. The only way to become a vampire was to drink the blood of a vampire, and Drac himself recruited vampires by cutting his chest, and holding whomever he wanted to be a vampire up to his chest in such a way that they HAD to drink his blood in order to breath. (Btw, that was the weird sexual symbolism that some people are talking about)

Drac himself became a vampire through some religious mumbo jumbo that wasn't explicitly detailed in the book, but shown in the movie of the book.
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« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2009, 10:54:13 am »

I just don't like the idea of "If you're bit by a vampire, you become a vampire", because that's not how it worked in Bram Stoker's book. Plus, if that's how it worked, simple math shows you that it would only take a week or so for the entire world's population to become vampires.

In the original, if you were bit by a vampire, nothing special happened to you, you just got drained. You wouldn't even die as Dracula himself would only finish you off if you were a nuisance to him. The only way to become a vampire was to drink the blood of a vampire, and Drac himself recruited vampires by cutting his chest, and holding whomever he wanted to be a vampire up to his chest in such a way that they HAD to drink his blood in order to breath. (Btw, that was the weird sexual symbolism that some people are talking about)

Drac himself became a vampire through some religious mumbo jumbo that wasn't explicitly detailed in the book, but shown in the movie of the book.

Yeah, I haven't actually ever seen any fiction where anybody a vampire drinks from becomes a vampire. The idea is vulnerable to a pretty obvious reductio ad absurdum as you described.

I think my favorite vampires ever were the ones in Vampire$ by John Steakley (which was apparently adapted, not very faithfully, into the movie "John Carpenter's Vampires"). The book itself ain't bad either, the characters are completely over the top - the men are all stone cold badasses with hidden soft spots, the women are incredibly gorgeous and elegant but also extremely tenacious and so on, but they're all developed in ways that are still interesting to read about if not entirely believable.

Anyway, the vampires in that are fucking monsters. They can use mind-powers of a sort to hypnotize people and appear very beautiful, but as soon as the spell is broken people see them as rampaging demonic monsters. They can enslave people by biting them, their transformation stage is apparently accompanied by rotting and being infested with maggots for a time, they can turn people into lesser, zombie-goon type minion vampires, they're superpowerful, and daylight blows them the fuck up, although at the end of the book they use flamethrowers to kill a master vampire at night, which is a big deal.

Anyway, the unadulterated monstrous evil of those vampires is kind of a nice change to the emo bitch vampires of, say, Anne Rice.

An honorable mention, and easily the weirdest goddam vampires ever, would be the ones from the Necroscope books. I didn't think the books themselves were really all that great, but get this: the vampires originate in an alternate dimension, as MUSHROOMS. YES MUSHROOMS. They shoot off these spores that infest people or animals; once infected, a vampire worms grows in the person's body, parasitically. So they sort of become one, but not necessarily completely bonded because the vampire can leave for a new host. They get all kinds of insane powers, like growing and molding their flesh however they want, and creating all kinds of genetic horror monsters as minions this way. The main use, however, seems to be for raping people. When a vampire dies, its body rots into more of the mushrooms and the life cycle repeats.
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Re: Twilight "Vampires"
« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2009, 11:13:43 am »

Yeah, I haven't actually ever seen any fiction where anybody a vampire drinks from becomes a vampire. The idea is vulnerable to a pretty obvious reductio ad absurdum as you described.
Let the right one in. The vampire portrayed makes sure to kill every victim it personally slays. It's problematic enough to get fed and stay out of sight without any crazied people trying to bite random citizens and burning after carelessly stroding into sunlight.
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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2009, 11:20:50 am »

The vampires in 30 Days of Night also turned people by biting, but they went out of their way to kill everyone they fed from.
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« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2009, 11:40:01 am »

Oh come on, everyone knows that you become a vampire by consuming a pumpkin ten days after Christmas.
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« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2009, 11:51:55 am »

The Twilight vampires aren't that hard to get. It's a romantic fantasy. Twilight vampires are pretty much the cliche "ideal man", shiny, shirtless (with abs), immensely powerful, but attracted to losers (i.e. the typical fan). They're like the chivalrous white knights, but what makes them more attractive is that they could be out there somewhere. I think a part of the appeal is like the Romeo and Juliet thing, one of them is just so much more awesome and unattainable than the other, but still hopelessly devoted.
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« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2009, 12:26:46 pm »

It ain't even a fantasy,it's just a romance novel of vampires who you can't even call vampires. Also she got the shape-shifter idea wrong. And vampires are clinically dead,they can't have sex nor make anybody pregnant/get pregnant.
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« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2009, 12:48:13 pm »

It ain't even a fantasy,it's just a romance novel of vampires who you can't even call vampires. Also she got the shape-shifter idea wrong. And vampires are clinically dead,they can't have sex nor make anybody pregnant/get pregnant.

Hooray, more arguing over the technical definitions of imaginary creatures.  You can that some author's concept of "vampire" is interesting or boring or whatever you prefer, but there's no such thing as "right" or "wrong".

Now, does it make sense that an "undead" creature can impregnate someone?  No, I'll give you that.
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