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expwnent

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Lack of Chair Complaints
« on: November 24, 2009, 03:35:45 pm »

After my previous fortress was destroyed by a tantrum spiral, I decided to that in this fortress, I would make every dwarf as happy as physically possible. So I made decent-sized room for every single dwarf, and I put a dining table and chair in every single room. For each room, the chair is next to the table and both are accessible.

I recently q'ed over each dining table and made them into dining rooms. All of a sudden, a lot of my dwarves are complaining about the lack of chairs. Why is this? If I manually assign each table and chair to each dwarf, will it work?

Are there any drawbacks to overlapping rooms of different types? Each dwarf's "dining room" and "bedroom" are the same room.

While I'm at it, are there any drawbacks to overlapping rooms of the same type? If I just made one gigantic really nice bedroom, then but a zillion bed in it and made them all into bedrooms, would that work? Would my dwarves be as happy?
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2009, 04:09:19 pm »

Are there any drawbacks to overlapping rooms of different types? Each dwarf's "dining room" and "bedroom" are the same room.

While I'm at it, are there any drawbacks to overlapping rooms of the same type? If I just made one gigantic really nice bedroom, then but a zillion bed in it and made them all into bedrooms, would that work? Would my dwarves be as happy?
Yes, overlapping rooms will take a huge penalty to their value.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2009, 04:18:10 pm »

Specifically, and IIRC, a room overlapping with one other room will lose half its value, whereas a room overlapping with more than one will lose three quarters. AFAIK, that's the cap, so if your single awesome bedroom is valuable enough, it doesn't matter.

Can't help you with the chirs, except to make sure that they're adjacent to the tables (not diagonal) and that there isn't some other dining room around that has no chairs, which could be causing those bad thoughts (they stick around for a year, so if it's been there long enough, most of your dwarves should have the thought, esp. if it outdates the individual rooms.)
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2009, 04:23:44 pm »

The 'not enough chairs/tables' is a bug, and has very little effect on happiness. You should be fine if they've got decent bedrooms, and your main hall is epic enough.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2009, 06:02:19 pm »

I have a solution to your problem:

Legendary Dining Room

Also designate a small meeting area and surround it with artifact furniture.  Of course your dwarves will socialize which could lead to tantrum spirals.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2009, 06:11:15 pm »

If a room overlaps with any other room, its quality is reduced to 25% of the original quality. This reduction happens only once. Thus, the easiest way to give all your dwarves awesome bedrooms is to make one big room, toss all the beds into it, designate them all as being bedrooms covering the entire big room, and then decorate the hell out of that room. Sure, it's four times harder to reach the high quality levels, but you're making way more than four rooms more awesome at a time, and it's still not that hard. A couple of aluminum statues should be sufficient.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2009, 07:22:31 pm »

Someone recently observed that a well-staffed fortress guard, a competent Sheriff and a royally decorated prison block will counter tantrum spirals by isolating and delighting troublemakers.  Masterpiece defiled?  Wife eaten by elves?  Bad weather?  Allow our burly personnel to escort you forcibly to the Mountain Spa, where gem-encrusted statues, multicolored windows and soothing waterfalls will mold you into a productive member of the collective.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2009, 07:47:39 pm »

About the chairs - yes, it's a bit of a bug, but you might be having a problem like this:

Dwarf goes into a designated dining room and finds a single occupied chair and table inside.  Tries another.  Same problem, and so on until he paths to one far enough away that isn't taken.  All the close ones will probably always be taken, forcing him to get unhappy thoughts about it.  Yeah, not a big deal, but try a legendary dining room somewhere for fewer instances of the thought.
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 08:42:57 pm »

I have a solution to your problem:

Legendary Dining Room

Also designate a small meeting area and surround it with artifact furniture.  Of course your dwarves will socialize which could lead to tantrum spirals.

I'm planning on doing that, too.


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About the chairs - yes, it's a bit of a bug, but you might be having a problem like this:

Dwarf goes into a designated dining room and finds a single occupied chair and table inside.  Tries another.  Same problem, and so on until he paths to one far enough away that isn't taken.  All the close ones will probably always be taken, forcing him to get unhappy thoughts about it.  Yeah, not a big deal, but try a legendary dining room somewhere for fewer instances of the thought.

So I think giving them individual dining rooms WOULD help, then, as long as they prefer to use their own before trying others. But I doubt I'll bother trying that.

If a dining room contains more than one table, that'll work correctly, right?
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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 02:44:05 am »

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Re: Lack of Chair Complaints
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 03:18:07 am »

Did you assign CHAIRS too? Don't do it. When the dwarf sits on an assigned chair at an assigned table, he sits in an "office" and "dining room" at once. Thus he gets no negative thoughts for sitting in a dining room behind a table PLUS he gets a negative thought for eating in an office where the tables do not count in this way.
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