Vector: Why would we lynch a survivor?
Why do you want to lynch a "Survivor" Vector?
Survivors aren't anti-town early game.
Things I completely forgot/didn't know: this fact. Things I have been wrong about: Pandarsenic's meta. Things I am doing: keeping my vote on ToonyMan, because either he's a survivor we don't want around, anyway, or he's some sort of terrifyingly obvscum.
I am not going to change my opinion based on whether or not some other people agree he is a survivor and decide lynching him is a bad idea. They may be attempting to save a scumbuddy via an incorrect assumption on my part, so I will go with the definitive "he is not town, and that is all" and hope that he's mafia.
Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.
Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?
Passive reaction-test.
I happen to be a literature geek, and thus Nirur Torir waxing Shakespearean completely on a whim made my day. The random vote was primarily to draw attention to how awesome this was, while also staying on topic with a "reaction-test."
Passively. Your sentence structure informs me that you are passive. It may be a character trait, or it may be a scumtell. I cannot say I know which.
Hysteria strikes again. To say that I'm "buddying" with Nirur is a stretch at best. I loved the poetics, but that says nothing for his role or team, and anyone with half a brain knows the difference between complimenting a person, and siding with them as a player. I've played this game with close friends all the time, and yet I still lynch/night kill them without trouble. There is a separation between game and reality here.
Also, having seen that RedWarrior0 hadn't yet posted here either, and knowing that the same thing had happened in other games running parallel to this one, I asked "Are you here?" honestly... it's a matter of seeing if he is a career lurker, or was actually away at length. The rest is just how I play; if you can't deal with someone treating a game like a game, while also taking passive critical reads of players and their statements, you'll have to deal.
I suppose I have only half a brain, then. You see, I'm accustomed to playing a very careful scumgame, grouping myself with other "sheep" players through whatever means I must. Discussion of a common interest often helps with that.
Once a commonality is established, members tend to be more open to other groupings between oneself and another--i.e., the "foot in the door phenomenon." With the creation of such groups, it becomes far easier to direct the town vote.
It is not a question of pre-existing relationships. It is a question of generating a new relationship within the context of the game. With careful generation of good in-game relationships, the game becomes far easier for scum.
Thus no, not hysteria. Given that 2/3 of your posts contained something
I would have done to grab myself an ally and the other one was pretty much fluff, I got worried.
I feel that I am treating this game like a game. Perhaps that has something to do with how I play games... for me, the game is finding out how to best solve the game. I hear that other people play Tetris for the fun of getting farther each time; I enjoy the iterative optimization problem. Some people read books for the fun of getting caught up in a story. Others find the fun in the expression of narrative structure and literary techniques. What is the purpose of socializing? Is it the joy of carefully constructing a surreal expression that makes others laugh? Is it the pleasure of producing well-formed paragraphs to influence another's mind? Is it the challenge of convincing someone else that you are a person like them? No, it's probably something else that I don't quite understand, as was explained in the above examples. This does not mean that either of us is wrong, but it does mean that we will find ourselves conflicting a bit.
What is enjoyable about making a forum post? The careful employment of syntactic parallelism? The construction of alliteration to enhance said parallelism? The manipulation of size to provide subtle changes in tone? This is what I enjoy, and it is how I "play." Occasional paragraphs about seemingly unrelated subjects also tend to feature prominently.
Based on the manner in which I play this game, I cannot simply stand by and let you say nothing. The ways in which we play this game are conflicting. Thus I will press you a little from your passiveness, in hopes of gaining a basic model of your mentality and the patterns under which you operate. If you cannot deal with others making attempts to find out how you think, that is most unfortunate.
Also, as for any more questions, I would ask why you're working so hard to spit fire and venom at everyone. I can understand encouraging activity in lurkers, which is what I'm passing this off as, but in so doing you're making sweeping generalizations based on an ABSENCE of information, which is a huge logical fallacy. You can't prove what -is- by using a lack of available information.
If I don't force reactions, I can't pick up reactions. Without a sufficient body of text, I cannot determine who is scum and who is not. I am making sweeping generalizations based on micro-data, which tends to work quite well. Your objections provide me with the data I need to make further statements. Thus I accuse others until I can leave them alone. If I do not provide pressure, I am well aware that I will not be able to figure anything out.
There is no fire, venom, or mentions of sucking lemons. There is just what you write, and what I see. Then there is a calibration phase, which usually becomes loud and yelly as I try to find out if I am correct or incorrect. Then either one of us dies or we both move on. I do not understand what is so difficult for you to swallow about all this.
And now to you, CK...
Vector actively did not answer my question and is using tautologies. Getting my vote when Kashyyk answers.
Hi vector. Why are you scum?
I'm not. What makes you think I am?
That's a pretty bad answer to my question. Why should I think you're town?
Let's see, you asked "Why am I scum," and then said "I'm not" is a poor answer.
You want me to prove something false? Okay, I can do that.
Suppose that 1 + 1 = 1. Then the scumteam and I are two separate entities, which means that the scumteam and I are one. There! Proof that I'm scum.
More seriously, this is complete bullshit. You want me to talk... well, I'm talking, but pressing me over sheer
inanities is preposterous. I can't prove myself town in any method but the obvious and forbidden one, so I'm providing you with the correct answer: go figure it out yourself from my posts, because I can offer no definitive proof. You should think I'm town based on my behavior, if you consider it townie; you should think I'm scum based on my behavior, if you consider it scummy. That computation, however, you will have to do yourself, since it is based entirely on internal considerations and definitions.
A tautological argument? Perhaps. On the other hand, it is the best I can give. I know I am town, but that does not necessarily mean you should think I am town. You should think someone is town only if you have gained sufficient evidence yourself, and I cannot provide answers as to whether or not you have gained that evidence. This response is perhaps insufficient in your mind, but there is only so much I can do.
Why do I say you're scum? Because you're playing the same old "let's find a typo and call it hypocrisy!!" song and dance you tried when were scum together in Panda's BYOR. Example A:
Toony, why are you continuing to blatantly lie?Eduren, are you going to stop listening to others and vote independently without worry? Because that's what I do. I vote interdependently without worry and you're all wrong to vote me.
Further, vast numbers of FoS => passiveness, and what seems to be an extensive later-game attack involving Burden of Proof... which is a royally scummy strategy. I also find it irritating that you attempted to pass off my compatriot's death as an appeal to emotion, even though absolutely no suspicion was on me... though that's simply personal irritation, more than anything that belongs in this game.
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