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[Footkerchief]

What is this antidonation thread you speak of?

This crapfest.  Let's not discuss it in this thread though.

[G-Flex]

I've got a feeling I know how this discussion is going to go.

Remember the anti-donation thread? Like that.

One side: Reasonable argument.
Other side: Rambling nonsense and sidestepping. Accusations of almost unrelated things.
One side: Reasonable argument. Pointing out that no questions were answered, just shouted at.

And on and on, until the thread is shut down.

If you think wanting to avoid unnecessary crap like that makes me forum police, then fine.

Dude, if you want to avoid unnecessary crap like that, then just try to be a reasonable part of the discussion.

Right now, you've just been derailing the thread and making it less constructive with your complaints about how the thread will probably be derailed and unconstructive. It's counterproductive.

If you're afraid of that stuff happening, it helps to not contribute to it by causing a ridiculous argument over whether or not the thread will turn ridiculous.

[Zangi]

If you are afraid of shit like this happening, ask for General Discussion to be closed.   Then it won't ever happen again. 

Simple eh?  The right idea right here:

It makes you more like the forum precrime officer, but yeah.  If you think controversial topics are doomed, report the thread and maybe advocate for the closing of this subforum.

[Akigagak]

That actually made me laugh out loud.

I won't argue, due to G-Flexs' catch 22, but what did that add to the thread?


Anyway, back to the topic.

Organ donation should work on an 'opt-out' system, where everyone is automatically registered as an organ donor, but can choose to have their name removed. This means that the people who are undecided don't have to make a decision, while those who are set against the idea don't have to donate, if they feel strongly enough about it to go through whatever motions would be nessecary and take their name off of the register.

[G-Flex]

That actually made me laugh out loud.

I won't argue, due to G-Flexs' catch 22, but what did that add to the thread?

It added nothing to the thread as originally intended. It added to the topic you brought up yourself. There's a difference between continuing a line of discussion that shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, and being the one to bring it up. Just because it wasn't a good idea to start talking about this doesn't mean I like to walk away from it when I feel like there's more to say, although sometimes I probably should.

Anyway, back to the topic.

Organ donation should work on an 'opt-out' system, where everyone is automatically registered as an organ donor, but can choose to have their name removed. This means that the people who are undecided don't have to make a decision, while those who are set against the idea don't have to donate, if they feel strongly enough about it to go through whatever motions would be nessecary and take their name off of the register.

That sounds reasonable enough, and would avoid a lot of backlash.


Personally, I don't know if people would go for mandatory organ donation right now; I just think it's a good idea.

[Zangi]

Organ donation should work on an 'opt-out' system, where everyone is automatically registered as an organ donor, but can choose to have their name removed. This means that the people who are undecided don't have to make a decision, while those who are set against the idea don't have to donate, if they feel strongly enough about it to go through whatever motions would be nessecary and take their name off of the register.

That is a better idea... then becoming a piece of property...

[x2yzh9]

The argument between Realmfighter and Zangi had stopped, people were trying to calm things down, but G-Flex decided to post another attack on Zangi's beliefs/opinions. I would have directed it Maggarg as well if he'd posted before me. We don't need religious debate that goes nowhere but to incoherent rants.

x2yzh9 also mentioned "moral and personal reasons," and I'd like to hear those.  And it's entirely reasonable to ask x2yzh9 what religion gave rise to his beliefs, and how, since he saw fit to voice his opinion.  Please shift your concern to people who are actually flaming each other.

When I die no-one is allowed anywhere near my body. Not because I care about what happens to it but because I am a complete bastard.

Are you going to like, put it in your will that everyone must evacuate the immediate area?

My beliefs? Well-
I will only say this, please do not be lighter fluid and start a flame war
Religion-I'm christian, said and done. I've been through alot of things making me think about religion, life, afterlife, death and everything a few months ago.

This event was major, to say the
VERY
VERY
VERY LEAST.

I went through a lot of stuff then, and i'm christian. I would like my body to be buried, whole. Death is a part of life, it cannot be eliminated. I know the whole 'Well we should do our best to reduce it' but the organs would only be available to the wealthy, and that is not what I would want. Now, if you are christian or atheistic/other religion but tolerating of christian beliefs, then you might as well read this next thing.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

When I die, and go to the kingdom of heaven[I plan to live my life well] and meet my family, i'd like to have inner peace. it's been about 2 months since my father died, and everythings finally settled down. Grief is an unavoidable thing. When I was young i tried to prepare myself for it, but when he died i learned that you can never truly prepare for the death of a loved one, it came so fast and swift. He'd been fighting cancer for 9 years, and his body eventually couldn't take it anymore. The cancer was quite literally all over his body, the exeption being his brain, and (maybe) throat. He lived to the age of 60, and served in the Vietnam war.
When that happened, i thought, and i cried. Finally, i knew the meaning of life;To live, so that one day we may all meet in heaven.

Well, thats my whole in-depth religion thing.

[JoshuaFH]

That actually made me laugh out loud.

I won't argue, due to G-Flexs' catch 22, but what did that add to the thread?


Anyway, back to the topic.

Organ donation should work on an 'opt-out' system, where everyone is automatically registered as an organ donor, but can choose to have their name removed. This means that the people who are undecided don't have to make a decision, while those who are set against the idea don't have to donate, if they feel strongly enough about it to go through whatever motions would be nessecary and take their name off of the register.

Don't they already have that in the UK or something?

[G-Flex]

I know the whole 'Well we should do our best to reduce it' but the organs would only be available to the wealthy, and that is not what I would want.

That problem, as much as it exists, already exists now.

And the way economics works, greater supply causes people with less money to be able to have something. The more people who donate their organs, the LESS serious the "they're only going to the rich" problem becomes.

Basically, the reason organs go only to the rich (if that's the case) is that they're in such short supply that only those who can seriously pull some strings will end up getting them.


I'm not saying the system doesn't need reform, because maybe it does. But greater availability would help in a big way.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

I guess the advantage of a nationalized health service and a national insurance system is that people with non-functioning organs will be assessed on how long they are likely to live, and the organ will go to the person who needs it most.
If organ donation was compulsory, lives would be saved. Organs don't go to the rich here.
Almost all religions teach that life is a precious thing. No matter what you believe about the sanctity of your decomposing corpse, the most loving and the most moral thing to do is to donate those squishy chunks of meat.
I do not debate the validity of your religion, but I certainly question your desire to waste your body after death.

[JoshuaFH]

It's not really from any malevolence that a person would desire to hoard their precious organs, I think it's just:

We're really attached to our organs, you know (pun intended) and can't imagine being separated from them, even after death. It's just the thought of some doctor suits extracting organs from your body is a terrible squick, and don't want to have to subject themselves to that, even if they'd be dead at the time anyway.

[Cthulhu]

My family is watching My Sister's Keeper right now.

Movie related.  I am 100% on the side of the healthy sister, although I suspect that was the line of thought the movie was intended to produce.

[umiman]

Since most of us Chinese nowadays end up cremating our bodies anyway, I think generally as a culture we don't care about bodies staying whole after death. This might have something to do with us not having enough space to bury corpses these days.

[Neonivek]

Since most of us Chinese nowadays end up cremating our bodies anyway, I think generally as a culture we don't care about bodies staying whole after death. This might have something to do with us not having enough space to bury corpses these days.

Well given what I hear they often do to bodies after someone buys up the land I'd have to agree.

[x2yzh9]

Since most of us Chinese nowadays end up cremating our bodies anyway, I think generally as a culture we don't care about bodies staying whole after death. This might have something to do with us not having enough space to bury corpses these days.

Your chinese?

Interesting.

And your canadian?

IMPOSSIBLE! THIS IS MADNESS!

[Que sparta meme]