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[Kinoko_Otoko]

Just started a game, got an initial room set as a stockpile for the stuff from my wagon, with a little alcove accessible only at a diagonal to the bigger room (to contain the miasma).

My dwarves have never used the damn thing, not once. They haven't even gone in to haul the stone that shouldn't be in there, which makes me wonder if they can even get in. But the same setup has always worked, and they had no problems mining it out... I already checked the stockpile settings, and it's the only refuse stockpile available. Refuse hauling is definitely turned on, and I haven't fiddled with any global settings. New game.

The alcove looks like this:

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Anyone have any ideas why this is (not) happening?

[Samyotix]

Hmm. Dwarves should be able to get through that diagonal opening.

You need a) dwarves with refuse hauling activated, b) Options -> Refuse options -> dwarves gather refuse from outside... and maybe doublecheck if "dwarves ignore refuse" is active.

[Kinoko_Otoko]

I checked, but as I said, all settings are the default. I shouldn't need to collect things from outdoors, since all my rooms are indoors...

[Lord Shonus]

What refuse are to trying to collect?

[Kinoko_Otoko]

Rat remains. This may cease being an issue, as I restarted from embarkation (again), but we'll see... and I still want to figure out why it is or was happening.

[martinuzz]

As long as those stones you mentioned are on the stockpile tiles, they are full and cannot hold the rat remains.
For dumping out the stone, you will need a designated dumping (garbage) zone (the <i> menu) over an open space.
Note that dumping stone is a refuse hauling job too, not a stone hauling job (all items designated for dumping are regarded as refuse for hauling purposes)

[Samyotix]

Do you have a garbage zone as well?
There's bodies waiting to be moved to your Refuse stockpile, but it's full of stone. If that doesn't get moved even though you designated them to be dumped, uh, maybe you didn't build a garbage zone yet?

[blue emu]

"Outdoors" just means "not Underground". Rooms inside above-ground buildings are considered "Outdoors".

[Kinoko_Otoko]

My dwarves are hauling refuse in my current game, so it's no longer a problem... but I still can't figure out why they weren't doing it in the first place.

The alcove was 3 long with only 1 stone blocking 1 tile, so there were still 2 open refuse stockpile spots that were never used.

[Kinoko_Otoko]

Update: I've now sealed off my fortress except for a very long tunnel big enough for the caravan, and moved my refuse stockpile inside, and again they refuse to use it. This time I made it in a pre-existing room by walling off a section with a corner missing for diagonal entry. The area is entirely clear, everyone has refuse hauling, etc.

[martinuzz]

Did you forbid your dwarves to go outside?
If not, did you all(o)w your dwarves to haul (r)efuse from (o)utside?
If the second is true, do you have many cats?
Could it be that there are vermin remains lying outside that are tasked for hauling?

As the hauling system works now, hauling jobs are 'stacked'. This means that several items can already be tasked for hauling, but a dwarf still has to finish other jobs before starting on such a tasked item. Meanwhile, those tasked items DO already have a space reserved for them in the appropriate stockpile.

Apart from that.. I have never used diagonal entrances for personal taste.. I use a double door setup, also works quite well for containing miasma.

[Kinoko_Otoko]

I don't have a lot of cats, just the two outside of cages. I haven't forbidden my dwarves from going outside, nor have I turned on refuse hauling from outside. Also, both of my cats have adopted dwarves so they tend to hang around inside the fortress anyway.

I used diagonal entrances in my first fortress without any problems... and I don't think it's stacked hauling jobs because I have several dwarves with 'No Job' even while rat remains are rotting in the common rooms. In this particular game, refuse piles were being used as normal as long as they were outside... once I moved them inside they stopped being used.

[Kinoko_Otoko]

Well, I finally realized something: Being the genius that I am, I decided to set the custom stockpile settings to my custom refuse pile; i.e. no skulls, bones or shells. I was using p>c to set custom stockpiles as my refuse piles.

This does not work.

You apparently have to set the stockpile AS a refuse pile specifically; if you just make any other kind of stockpile and set it to ACCEPT refuse they will ignore it.

Now even my cat are using it.