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[webadict]

I suppose I'll help ya balance that, if you want. I wouldn't be able to take playing it most likely.

[JanusTwoface]

Idea: Supernatural Mafia

I've been thinking about doing bits of this for a while now.  Also, based on an idea from Mephansteras in the Paranormal thread, it seems like it would be interesting to separate some of the supernatural ideas from Paranormal into their own game.

At it's core, Supernatural Mafia is the human town versus a monstrous mafia.  The difference is that there is a wide variety of possible monsters to afflict the town with and the aren't necessarily going to work together.

Anyways, I've hammered out a fair few roles, some from Paranormal Ideas, some from mafiascum.net, some I made up on the fly.  I cannot guarantee that it will be totally balanced, but I hope it will at least be fun.

Spoiler: Humans (click to show/hide)

The goal of the humans is to kill all of the monsters in the town.

Seer
Each night the seer can reveal the true nature of one player and determine if that player is a Human or a Monster.

Apprentice
The Apprentice is apprenticed another human character.  When that player dies, the Apprentice assumes their role.  The Apprentice knows the Role they will assume, but not the player they will take it from.

Hunter
Each night, the Hunter can choose a player to kill.  If that player is not a monster, the  Hunter cannot use his ability the following night out of guilt.

Witch
Each night the Witch may choose to either curse a player or lift a previous curse.  A cursed player has a 50% chance of failing any attempted actions.  If a Witch is killed, all curses become permenant.  Multiple curses do not stack.

Halfbreed
The Halfbreed is unaware of their true nature.  They appear to be a Monster to Seers.

Guardian
Each night, the Guardian may choose to protect another player.  One random action that would kill the target is blocked.

Martyr
Each night, the Martyr may choose to protect another player.  Any action that would affect the player affects the Martyr instead.

Medium
Each night, the Medium may choose a dead player to communicate with until the next morning.  The Medium may consult with each spirit only once per game.

Angel
An Angel has been sent to assist the town in ridding itself of monsters.  If the Angel has not been identified as such before being being killed, he will revive the next morning.

Once per game (at any time), an unrevealed Angel may bring his Sword of Wrath down upon a player (revealing the Angel's true nature).  If the player is Human, the Angel is killed (and does not revive).  If the player is a monster, the monster is killed.  Nothing can block this ability.

Spoiler: Monsters (click to show/hide)

The goal of monsters is to kill all of the humans in the town.  Some monsters have special goals which supercede this goal.

With the exception of Werewolves, monsters do not know about each other at the start of the game.

Vampire
A Vampire must drain the blood of humans to survive. As such, each night, a Vampire must choose a target to attack. Attacking the same player more than once will allow the Vampire more control over the target.

On the first night, the Vampire can roleblock the target.  On the second night, the Vampire can choose to roleblock or kill the target.  On the third night, the Vampire can choose to roleblock, kill, or convert the target.  A converted target loses any previous abilities and gains the full powers of a Vampire.  A Vampire's target that survives is revealed to have been attacked the following morning.

Vampire can feed off of Werewolves normally, but cannot feed off of other monsters.  A Vampire that attacks a non-werewolf target neither kills the target, nor feeds.  If a Vampire fails to feed (for any reason) for a third time during the course of a game, the Vampire will die at the next sunrise.

Goal: Kill all non-Vampires.

Werewolf
The local Werewolf pack is fighting back against the town.  Any Werewolf knows the members of his pack.  One of the Werewolves (choosen at random) is the Alpha Werewolf.  Each night, the Alpha Werewolf choose a player to kill.  The Alpha Werewolf cannot be affected by night actions and appears to be human to Seers, but can be lynched.  If the Alpha Werewolf is killed, another werewolf at random is chosen to take his place.

In addition, there may be one or more Werewolf Cubs.  Any Cubs do not know of the pack, nor does the pack know the identity of any Cubs.  If the Werewolf Cub is killed, the Alpha can attack two targets during the following night.  If the entire pack is killed before the Cubs, any surviving Cubs will form a new pack with a new Alpha Werewolf.

Goal: Kill all non-Werewolves.

Zombie
A Zombie needs brains to survive!  Each night, the Zombies can choose to attack a player.  If the player is an ordinary human, the Zombies eat the player's brains (turning them into a Zombie).  If the player has any special powers, they can fight back.  The Zombies still overwelm the player (him) but one random Zombie dies in exchange.  If the Zombies try to attack another monster, they will fail.

Ghost
The Ghost is already dead although no-one has noticed yet.  After the Ghost is killed, he can no longer post in the main thread; however, he can choose a player each night to haunt.  A haunted player cannot perform any actions.

Lich
The Lich's goal is to manipulate the town into turning on each other.  The Lich cannot be affected by night actions and appears as human to seers.  At the start of the game, a random player is chosen as the Lich's phylactery.

If the Lich is lynched before that player, the Lich's soul is passed on to the new player, turning them into a Lich.  The new Lich looses any previous abilities and gains a random phylactery from among the current players.

A Lich's phylactery can be either a monster or a human.

Demon
Your goal is to collect the soul of every living player in the game.  Each night, you may choose one of the following actions:
- Collect a player's soul. You learn everything about that player.
- With a collected soul:
  - Soul crush: The player loses any special abilities.
  - Mind control: Secretly control the player's actions for the night and vote for the next day.
  - Sacrifice: The player is killed. You cannot be killed during this night or the next day.

Collecting the soul of an Angel will kill the Angel immediately.
 
Goal: Collect the soul of every other living player.

Does anyone have any thoughts?

[Pandarsenic]

Lich is broken. As usual.

[dakarian]

Why is the hunter unable to kill multiple nights if they kill a townie?  Bad enough when a vig kills a townie, but you double wound it afterwards.

Vamp won't have a chance to recruit.  Typical games last only 3 days unless scum start dying. 

Cubs makes the werewolf pack too powerful.  Alpha is already immune to night actions and a dead cub gives them 2 kills as well!?

zombie is basically a cult with a small backlash at times.  VERY powerful

Lich really is too powerful.

Demon sounds odd... unsure if he's too weak or WAYYYY too strong.



Overall, though, it's a weakish town against some very strong scum.

[Leafsnail]

I suppose I'll help ya balance that, if you want. I wouldn't be able to take playing it most likely.

Sure, I'd appreciate your input.  Currently the roles are written more for evilness than balance .

[JanusTwoface]

Spoiler: Answers and tweaks (click to show/hide)

Why is the hunter unable to kill multiple nights if they kill a townie?  Bad enough when a vig kills a townie, but you double wound it afterwards.

To penalize them for killing indiscriminantly.  Perhaps this would help the town out:

Seer
Each night the seer can reveal the true nature of one player and determine if that player is a Human or a Monster.  If the targeted player is a Monster, the Seer also determines which kind.

Hunter
Each night, the Hunter can inspect a player or choose to kill a player.  The inspection reveals only if the player is Human or a Monster.  If that player is not a monster, the  Hunter cannot kill the following night out of guilt.

Vamp won't have a chance to recruit.  Typical games last only 3 days unless scum start dying. 

It depends on which monsters are in the game.  For example, if it's just a Vampires, the game would be slower because the scum would only kill every other night.

Cubs makes the werewolf pack too powerful.  Alpha is already immune to night actions and a dead cub gives them 2 kills as well!?

Does this help?  Making the Alpha only night kill immune (other actions can still target it) and removing the Cubs (for now).

Werewolf
The local Werewolf pack is fighting back against the town.  Any Werewolf knows the members of his pack.  One of the Werewolves (choosen at random) is the Alpha Werewolf.  Each night, the Alpha Werewolf choose a player to kill.  The Alpha Werewolf cannot be night-killed, but is otherwise affected normally by night actions.  If the Alpha Werewolf is killed, another werewolf at random is chosen to take his place.

Goal: Kill all non-Werewolves.

zombie is basically a cult with a small backlash at times.  VERY powerful

Depends on the concentration of the town power roles.  If there are enough (roughly half or maybe a little more), half the time the scum will lose one of their own when they attack.  How about this tweak?  (The Zombies also do now talk privately.)

Zombie
A Zombie needs brains to survive!  Each night, the Zombies can choose to attack a player.  If the player is a human, the Zombies eat the player's brains (killing them); however, if the player has any special powers, they fight back, killing one of the Zombie as well.  If the Zombies attacks another monster, both the other monster and one random Zombie will be killed.

Any human player or Werewolf has a random chance (to be determined) of rising as a new Zombie the next morning instead of being killed.  Any new Zombie loses all other powers.

Goal: Kill all non-Zombies.

Lich is broken. As usual.

Lich really is too powerful.

New Lich, less broken?

Lich
The Lich's goal is to manipulate the town into turning on each other.  At the start of the game, a random player is chosen as the Lich's phylactery.  If the Lich is lynched before that player, the Lich's soul is passed on to the new player, turning them into a Lich.  The new Lich looses any previous abilities and gains a random phylactery from among the current players.  A Lich's phylactery can be either a monster or a human.

If a Seer inspects a Lich, the Lich's phylactery will be revealed (although the phylactery's race / role will not).  If an Angel targets a Lich, the Lich will not be able to transfer to its phylactery.

Demon sounds odd... unsure if he's too weak or WAYYYY too strong.

I made it to sound interesting.  Basically, he has some power, but only after the second night.  And he's working alone.  I'm not sure if it's over or under powered either, a play test would probably be required.

Overall, though, it's a weakish town against some very strong scum.

Partially, that's the idea.  With some of these tweaks, I think I've helped that.  Another thing that helps the town is that there will be (at least) 2 different kinds of monsters that do not (generally) know about each other.

Most monsters will spawn as individuals (and are weak to getting randomly killed off quickly) although the Werwolves and Zombies will appear as groups.  Therefore, there's the possibility of the monsters being slowed down by targetting each other.

Even more so, the Vampires, Werewolves, and Zombies have to kill each other off to win and the Demon has his own independent goal as well (he may actually want to help townies that he's collected already because a dead player's soul really doesn't help at all).  Really, only the Ghost and Lich might want to help other monsters.

Also, one rule tweak would be banning PMs.  There Werewolves and Vampires would have Quick Topics (but not the Zombies) and the Medium can use PMs with one dead player per night, but that's it.

How do you think the new tweaks affect things?

[dakarian]

Actually, now that I think about it, this should be on the game type thread.  This should be more for requests to get your game in the que and when your game ended. 

The other thread will be revived shortly.

[ExKirby]

Well, I'm torn between making one of two Mafias-making a "Stereotype Mafia" or a "School Mafia".

In "Stereotype Mafia", there's a ton of Stereotyped people (eg. Vampires, Old Ladies, Punks), who are split into two catagories-Good and Evil. Every role will have some sort of power. Some players' roles will "break the stereotype", and be on the opposite allignment, and possibly have different powers. Instead of winning with Town or Mafia, you win with your allignment-Good or Evil.

"School Mafia" bends the rules a bit. Instead of there being a Mafia, there is a bunch of Punks who have done heavy structural damage and graffiti vandalism. Players start with the keys to one room and a can of coloured spray paint. During the night, players can either use their night ability, lend their keys to someone else or spray a message to the room they have keys to. One of the Punks MUST spray something. During the day, players decide between them what story they will tell, and ultimatly, who they will blame. There will most likely be some other quirks in between, so...

[dakarian]

1.  Bay 12 people are the CRAZIEST PEOPLE!

2. I believe I can put down my next game in the que.

BYOR Mafia: Just a Dot, Not a Lot

[dakarian]

Btw, I'm NOT running a hammer game again. 

A hardcoded limit perhaps (24 hours might be steep...48 perhaps) but NOT hammers.

[Zai]

1.  Bay 12 people are the CRAZIEST PEOPLE!

wut

Explain, scum!

[dakarian]

*lurks*

[dakarian]

Ok, we need to decide how will we decide how many games go on at any time.

Two ways to do it.. one is easier, the other (to me) more accurate.

Easier: Hard coded number of games to run, including taking up signups.  I believe 8 is our limit: that's when we started noticing the attendance problems.  13 is really causing issues.

More Accurate: Base it on the number of players the game starts off in.

i.e 8 games at 9 players a game = 72 players 

Thus we can have more games if there's fewer playing in each game. 

Note 1: MOST accurate would be if we kept track of players alive in each game, but that's asking for a lot of upkeep from Meph.


Note 2: All of the active games have a Starting Player count of 118

[Rysith]

Note 2: All of the active games have a Starting Player count of 118

That's a lot of people playing mafia!

I like the idea of players per game, since it lets smaller mafias start without preventing a larger game from going on. A reasonable compromise could be players alive in each game on a best-effort basis, so mods could PM meph and he could update it when he had time.

What we really need is an automated system. Maybe a communal Google spreadsheet or something of that nature?

[Mephansteras]

Oooh, yeah, a google spreadsheet would be good!

If someone wants to get that going I can put a link to it in the OP. If not, I'll do it myself. Probably tomorrow.