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[webadict]

You have mellowed like a super-mellow thing, Wubby <3


Also, I am 21 and have been awake for a long, long time.  I can't sleep for another 9 hours~

I am merely not angry. Although, if Archangel were involved, then I might not be so mellow.

Which I guess reminds me...

[Toaster]

Go ahead and add Kingmaker 4 to the queue.  It'll be Mountainous this go-around.  Do people want a 9p game or a 11-13p game?

[webadict]

I say do 9p. It's slightly more difficult to fill up a Kingmaker game.

[Jokerman-EXE]

I'm working on making roles for League of Legends Mafia that I might run. Of course, there are 66 Champions, so the roles will take me a long time. Is there any interest in playing?

- Closed setup
- 12-16 players
- 3-4 scum
- 66 possible roles
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- Profit.

[RedWarrior0]

I doubt we can fill a game that big. Even so, why not assign roles first?

[IronyOwl]

I dunno about LoL Mafia. Sounds like a BYOR with precanned choices. If the choices were more meaningful in some other way maybe, but if we're basically just talking a very narrow BYOR or particularly themed game I'm not sure I see the point.


On the topic of ill-advised video game based mafias, however, I've come up with how Roguelike Mafia would work. "Poorly" for the most part, but also probably hilariously and awesome, for the parts where it wasn't crashing and burning.

Spoiler: Why Would You Even (click to show/hide)

Basically, everyone sends in a role. Or two roles. Or maybe even innocent bystanders send in roles. The point is, you end up with all these roles, but they're not real roles, they're WWYDT roles- images, text strings, whatever.

So then the real fun (and infeasibility) starts, because the GM makes these roles into actual roles. You would probably have to randomly pick only two per player, but if you were particularly masochistic you could double the workload by rolling twice for each category (see below).

The roles would determine two things- actions and attributes. Actions are pretty self-explanatory, but can get very weird; attributes are things like NK-immune or extra vote, but also getting very weird. Done properly, this could result in utter madness as you wind up with actions being "Orange-Aligned" or saying "Set the clock of target player to 5," and not really knowing what that's supposed to mean or how it interacts with anything else. Similarly, attributes could specify that "Your vote total is equal to the number of Orange-Aligned actions minus the number of Lemon-Aligned actions used against you the previous night" or that you have a Clock that does stuff. The roles would be mixed, incidentally, so Orange and Ronald McDonald would result in actions and attributes based on a combination of both, not actions from one and attributes from another.

So obviously, that'd be pretty hard to pull off, and probably impossible outside a bastard setting. What would make that even worse, but the game even better, is if you included some way to switch powers, roles, and so on. Perhaps players would be offered a new action/attribute set (or even have a number of slots for each, and be offered a single one) each night, and have the option (or not) to swap. Depending on how coherent and dynamic the rest of the game was, that could result in some interesting decisions.

[webadict]

Would you win instantly if you got the Amulet of Yendor?

[Mr.Person]

Would you win instantly if you got the Amulet of Yendor?

No, you need to get to end of the game with it so you can sacrifice it. Or, if you're like me, give it to the wrong god.

@IronyOwl:
That doesn't sound much like a roguelike mafia to me. Seems to me that roguelike mafia would involve lots of magic items (abilities). Your killer gets to keep your magic items when they kill you. Lynched players have their items disappear although they're all revealed to the rest of the game. Players not happy with their items or who have used all theirs up can go questing for more. Note that sometimes you find more than just items. For instance, you might not get anything at all for various reasons or find a special level such as a bones level that lets you talk to a lynched player and take their stuff or a treasure vault that contains several items.. with a risk of dying!

Magic items can be passive or active. Generally active abilities will be consumables, although there will be various rare artifacts that can do impressive things night after night.

Oh, and permadeath. No revives.

[Zathras]

You have been lynched... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq]


...and load bones files from earlier games.

I love it already...

[Toaster]

Emperor liches, cyberdemons, and twenty-headed hydra, oh my!

[IronyOwl]

@IronyOwl:
That doesn't sound much like a roguelike mafia to me. Seems to me that roguelike mafia would involve lots of magic items (abilities). Your killer gets to keep your magic items when they kill you. Lynched players have their items disappear although they're all revealed to the rest of the game. Players not happy with their items or who have used all theirs up can go questing for more. Note that sometimes you find more than just items. For instance, you might not get anything at all for various reasons or find a special level such as a bones level that lets you talk to a lynched player and take their stuff or a treasure vault that contains several items.. with a risk of dying!

Magic items can be passive or active. Generally active abilities will be consumables, although there will be various rare artifacts that can do impressive things night after night.

Oh, and permadeath. No revives.

Yeah, that was sort of the idea behind the rotating multiple-slot roles thing. Trouble is, there's only so many standard night actions a mafia game can handle, which was why I was thinking it'd have to get more convoluted and specific.

You have been lynched... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq]


...and load bones files from earlier games.

I love it already...

Hm... a continuously recruiting mafia game that doesn't end until one player attains enough godlike power to crush any and all opposition indefinitely...

[webadict]

@IronyOwl:
That doesn't sound much like a roguelike mafia to me. Seems to me that roguelike mafia would involve lots of magic items (abilities). Your killer gets to keep your magic items when they kill you. Lynched players have their items disappear although they're all revealed to the rest of the game. Players not happy with their items or who have used all theirs up can go questing for more. Note that sometimes you find more than just items. For instance, you might not get anything at all for various reasons or find a special level such as a bones level that lets you talk to a lynched player and take their stuff or a treasure vault that contains several items.. with a risk of dying!

Magic items can be passive or active. Generally active abilities will be consumables, although there will be various rare artifacts that can do impressive things night after night.

Oh, and permadeath. No revives.

Yeah, that was sort of the idea behind the rotating multiple-slot roles thing. Trouble is, there's only so many standard night actions a mafia game can handle, which was why I was thinking it'd have to get more convoluted and specific.

You have been lynched... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified? [ynq]


...and load bones files from earlier games.

I love it already...

Hm... a continuously recruiting mafia game that doesn't end until one player attains enough godlike power to crush any and all opposition indefinitely...

So, King of the Mafia?

[Mr.Person]

Emperor liches, cyberdemons, and twenty-headed hydra, oh my!

Don't forget giant ants and chess pieces.

@IronyOwl:
That doesn't sound much like a roguelike mafia to me. Seems to me that roguelike mafia would involve lots of magic items (abilities). Your killer gets to keep your magic items when they kill you. Lynched players have their items disappear although they're all revealed to the rest of the game. Players not happy with their items or who have used all theirs up can go questing for more. Note that sometimes you find more than just items. For instance, you might not get anything at all for various reasons or find a special level such as a bones level that lets you talk to a lynched player and take their stuff or a treasure vault that contains several items.. with a risk of dying!

Magic items can be passive or active. Generally active abilities will be consumables, although there will be various rare artifacts that can do impressive things night after night.

Oh, and permadeath. No revives.

Yeah, that was sort of the idea behind the rotating multiple-slot roles thing. Trouble is, there's only so many standard night actions a mafia game can handle, which was why I was thinking it'd have to get more convoluted and specific.

There's plenty of things you can give players, just look at any of Webadict's BYORs. Just give mostly consumables and an occasional passive and a rare artifact or two and everything works fine. Maybe limit each player to a max of 3 items at a time if you're worried about players just constantly questing to get a cool artifact or something.

[Toaster]

Actually, combining it with KOTM sounds rather intriguing...

Each player can choose to quest for something new or randomly loot a dead person's item during the day.  At day end, they either get a new item or something dropped by a dead one.

Items:

Common: Average one shot powers (inspect/roleblock/protect)
Uncommon: Midrange passives/stronger one shots (RB immunity, one shot kill/revive)
Rare:  Permanent active abilities/day oneshots (basic roles, one-shot daykill)
Artifact:  Multiple abilities- often both good and bad (Kill Immune but takes one less vote to lynch)

Something like a 45/30/20/5 percent drop rate on rarities.  For balance reasons, make it successively harder to get items past the second, something like a 2/N% chance of success.  You could drop items you didn't like at dawn- they would go in "dead player item" pool.

There shouldn't be an indication of what items are in the dead player item pool, but perhaps a count of them.

Everyone gets a common item to start with.

[IronyOwl]

I am liking where this is going, though I suspect it's veering off of mafia a bit.

Quest for items, avoid cyber-demon chess pieces, try to figure out who's a Dark Adventurer and who's town.