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[Neruz]

I am aware of the no editing thing guys, editing to fix errors is a very strong habit of mine though, i try to avoid doing it in Mafia games, but in thise case i'd already edited before i realised my mistake, and by that point it was too late.


Also; you can see what you wrote before you post it, you just hit preview.

[SirBayer]

They aren't, SirBayer.  Those are just my thoughts at this stage, and I suppose dakarian picked up on the same things I did.

Why doesn't saying this ever work for meeeeeeee

Still suspicious.

[Vector]

They aren't, SirBayer.  Those are just my thoughts at this stage, and I suppose dakarian picked up on the same things I did.

Why doesn't saying this ever work for meeeeeeee

Still suspicious.

Because you say not only the same things, but you say them in exactly the same way and without adding anything else whatsoever.

[ExKirby]

Oh, yes. Let's all fill the policy lynch again. Sheesh, I really am getting tired of this. If you don't wanna claim, fine. But seriously, I'm sure I can come up with SOMETHING.

[Vector]

Oh, yes. Let's all fill the policy lynch again. Sheesh, I really am getting tired of this. If you don't wanna claim, fine. But seriously, I'm sure I can come up with SOMETHING.

Spoiler: Egregious tirade (click to show/hide)

All right.  You know what?  There are multiple policy-lynches running around.  You aren't the only one, but you're the one that's really pissing me off right now--and I'm not even voting you, just because I'm generally a tolerant person.  You think you're getting tired of it?  I'm tired of your bitching and moaning after I apologized all over the place and went out on a limb to tell you how you could make things stop.  So you're a policy lynch!  Big deal.  You can do something about it, or you can keep complaining all over the place and make yourself even more irritating.

We're not voting you because we're keeping ExKirby out of a club or something.  We're voting you because you are acting like scum.  We keep trying to tell you how you can play better, so we don't have to lynch you anymore--but no.  You don't listen.  There's two realms here in which you're failing.  You used to be failing just in the inner world of the game--that is, you were a poor player.  Now you're making people generally mad at you outside of the game by virtue of your complaining about what's happening inside games.

I understand that you're hurt and young and that life kind of sucks right now.  I understand that you probably feel like we're out to get you.  But this is how the system works: you learn how to play, or we keep lynching you out of sheer frustration.  There isn't much in-between.

I apologize in advance for being such an asshole.  In reality, I probably should have just ignored him--but I've done that a good few times now, and my temper's feeling short today.

[ExKirby]

Well, that time Vector, it wasn't aimed at you.

[Vector]

Well, that time Vector, it wasn't aimed at you.

...

You reacted surprisingly well.  It seems that you are growing up and I no longer need to be angry.

Hmmm.

 

[Archangel]

Hi everybody. I didn't end up using a computer at all yesterday so sorry about that. All I'll say about my role is it is pretty much what I expected.

ExKirby is a bit of an idiot.

No one has posted much of anything really.

We're probably going to lynch someone who seems only slightly suspect, if at all.

Ask me questions and I will answer to the best of my ability, but otherwise I'm probably not going to be any use scumhunting until D2.

[ExKirby]

Well, that time Vector, it wasn't aimed at you.

...

You reacted surprisingly well.  It seems that you are growing up and I no longer need to be angry.

Hmmm.

 

Well, I have no need to have a rant at someone who I don't need to have a rant at. If that made any sense.

[dakarian]

Hi everybody. I didn't end up using a computer at all yesterday so sorry about that. All I'll say about my role is it is pretty much what I expected.

ExKirby is a bit of an idiot.

No one has posted much of anything really.

We're probably going to lynch someone who seems only slightly suspect, if at all.

Ask me questions and I will answer to the best of my ability, but otherwise I'm probably not going to be any use scumhunting until D2.

Ok, here's a Change policy you can count on.

First, Unvote(ExKirby) Vote Archangel to make sure you listen.

Second:

Spoiler: Archangel, READ THIS! (click to show/hide)

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

I am no LONGER accepting the "OMG I dislike D1" argument.  If you do nothing today, you not only aren't useful but you are UNREADABLE, which messes up MY attempts to scumhunt since I don't know who you are.  Since much of what I do is dependant on me getting a handle of everyone during Day 1 I will not accept people lurking in the corner purposefully. 

So go read that Spoiler, and follow it, NOW.  In my eyes, no one has an excuse for not being on any of those four Steps and none of those steps include "do nothing till the next day."



Too Long: Didn't read version with more direct bluntness:

Read the Spoiler, follow it, OR DIE!

[ExKirby]

Hmm... bit forceful, but that's not a scumtell.

[dakarian]

After fighting off LurkerLynchings and UselessTownieLynchings, I finally adopted a Policy issue of my own.

It's not all policy though.  If Arch follows it then I'll be able to read him properly and thus continue normal scumhunting.  If not, I'll move on, figure out everyone else, then wipe him off the map.

[ExKirby]

...sounds hard.

[Vector]

...sounds hard.

It is, but if you try hard I'm sure you'll pick up the basics pretty quickly--and don't worry if you're horrible at first.  I'm still pretty damned lousy town, myself.

[dakarian]

Doing the act itself really isn't once you get over the initial "I don't want to do it wrong" feeling.  All you need to do is look at everyone (use the list of players on the first page) and go "how do I feel about them." 

If all of them end up as "Town" or "I don't know" then you're at Step 1: pick randomly and throw something at them, even if it's BS.

If you see one or two (or even all) as anything more..even if it's "I don't like his avatar" or "he was scum last game.." do Step 2: vote for them, attack them with a real accusation.  Even if it's "My gut thinks your scum".

If you see one and go "Yah, he's scum", it's Step 3: solidify your case and gather evidence against them.

Then finally Step 4: Show the town why they need to kill that man.


Doing that is easy once you stop trying to 'do it right' and just try.  Actually catching SCUM with it is the raw mess that makes this game interesting.