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[Org]

WTF? DUE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?

[JanusTwoface]

Spoiler: Old scummitude list (click to show/hide)

PrinnyBaal - claiming a role that doesn't exist (so far as we know), might be a subtle mage, also tone of PMs (granted don't have a baseline for that)
Halmie - is most likely an Archivist, dangerous role for Cabal to have, wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy
Frelock - agree with logic, wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy though
Jim Groovester - is quieter than normal, scum?
Kashyyk - is quiet like normal, possibly scum?
rickvoid - needs replacement, hard to get a read on right now
RedWarrior0 - don't really have a good read for him
RandomNumberGenerator - not getting a good read
Org - Justicar claim, think PrinnyBaal might be trying to frame him

If you are a scum(which you are) you will get assisted by the secret guy

But Prinny is the secret guy methinks?

Janus, I'm not sure about you. You are quite ambivalent compared to how you normally play, as (in Para at least) you usually post relative WoT dissecting everybody's actions and correctly discerning scum.

Not this time around...

Janus: Not much to say right now. Hasn't posted any responses he gave to the PMs Prinny sent, which could be useful.

I don't generally click the save outgoing messages button, but here's what I do have:

Spoiler: Messages I sent to PrinnyBaal (click to show/hide)

Private chatting generally sounds shiny, although I don't generally initiate it.  Especially this early.

I really don't have anything to say about MagmaDeath thus far other than his complete lack of posting.  There are others that are lurking, but at least everyone else has shown up.

I of course think I'm town.    I'm not sure about you, although you haven't been giving off any overtly obvious scum tells, so we'll go with that for now.

An Illusionist?  I'm not sure what that means?

I'm not opposed to a long term team up at this point.  We'll see how the game goes over the next few days.  Then I'll make a decision.

I think we should be focused on seeing who acts scummy rather than depending on a numbers game.  I asked Meph for the script and I should be able to run some tests to see how the new scores act tomorrow, so we'll go from there.

I'm not sure what to think about ExKirby.  The first problem is that I've seen a gambit like this before on both sides.  Someone who does something so outrageous they couldn't be town.  I've seen it turn out that they were scum and that they were town.  Of course if ExKirby decides to throw himself in the ring, power to him I guess.

Also, just out of curiosity: Anybody have reason Halmie isn't scum?

Not really.  More of a hope that we had an Archivist on our side.  I'm thinking that he may be scum, especially if PrinnyBaal flips scum.

I really don't understand that at all.

Could you explain it in proper English? Then I might be able to unvote you.

You are scum, along with Prinny and maybe Janus.

You seem somewhat like a day 1 webadict here... Throwing out claims without any reasoning (even if you have it, you don't post it).

Spoiler: New scummitude list (click to show/hide)

PrinnyBaal - claiming a role that doesn't exist (so far as we know), might be a subtle mage, also tone of PMs (granted don't have a baseline for that)
Halmie - is most likely an Archivist, dangerous role for Cabal to have, wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy
Org - throwing about accusations willy nilly, like he doesn't even care who's scum
Frelock - wth against PB seems scummy if PB is scummy
Jim Groovester - appears to be focusing somewhat on me, otherwise quieter than normal
Kashyyk - is quiet like normal
RedWarrior0 - quiet, not sure
RandomNumberGenerator - quiet, not sure
rickvoid/Leafsnail - a little more talkative now, will try to get a read tomorrow

PrinnyBaal seems rather scummy at this point, but he has plenty of votes already.  That being said, vote Halmie and vote Org as the next scummiest thus far.

[Mephansteras]

The Glowing Tally Board
Frelock  : PrinnyBaal
Halmie  : JanusTwoFace
JanusTwoFace   : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RedWarrior0
Org : JanusTwoFace, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal, Leafsnail
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
RedWarrior0 : Leafsnail


Vote Phase ends in ~2 hours

[RedWarrior0]

Hmm... On the PMs issue, there's an option in your profile to make it always save them. I'd like to leave Org and Halmie out of the ring for a round and give them the chance to investigate each other. Hopefully, exactly one of them is scum, as tehm both being town could lead us into some serious WIFOM.

@Meph: What happens if there's a tie for second?

[Leafsnail]

Hmm... well, it looks like Org and Janus have both defensively voted each other.  Org, my question related more to you bandwagonning on Prinny, but having looked back through the thread I think I understand why people are voting for him a lot more now.  Christ... why would you need to send out so many pms to everyone?  Anyway, unvote Org for now.

Janus, why haven't you voted and posted your suspicions until prompted by votes against you?  Indeed, your vote on Org seems self defensive and your vote on Halmie is random, and applying very little pressure.  Indeed, the only reason is "Rolecop would be bad as mafia!  OMG!" and there isn't much Halmie can do to reply to that.

[JanusTwoface]

@Meph: What happens if there's a tie for second?

He can confirm this but IIRC, he'll choose randomly amongst any ties.

Janus, why haven't you voted and posted your suspicions until prompted by votes against you?  Indeed, your vote on Org seems self defensive and your vote on Halmie is random, and applying very little pressure.  Indeed, the only reason is "Rolecop would be bad as mafia!  OMG!" and there isn't much Halmie can do to reply to that.

I did post my suspicions, back here.  The new post was just to update those suspicions.  Also, sick.

The vote against Halmie is pased partially on role, yes.  As has been mentioned, there's a lot of power on the Tower side already, with an unknown amount on the Cabal side.

The other reason was the 'wth' post right after the PrinnyBaal thing came up.  I've seen something similiar before on scum teams.  (Heck, I've done something similiar before as scum)  Basically, one of the scum does something without clearing it with their scummates and then tries to distance themself as things start to go wrong.

And Org is partially a defense vote and partially a 'not helpful' vote.  He's not giving much reasoning behind his votes and flipping back and forth rather overmuch.  And yes, I am trying to keep myself out of the ring as well.  I don't see any harm in that though.

So far as taking so long to vote... Read any game I've played.  I almost always take a while to vote.  Although, I admit that I got a little fried yesterday and thought the day lasted until Wednesday.  Oops.

[PrinnyBaal]

Christ... why would you need to send out so many pms to everyone?

That's a scum tell... how? Ever heard of something called psychology? Wanna know how I tend to use it? By trying to ask questions directly. Now; let's say I ask a question in the thread- the psychology on that is different than the psychology of one posted in PM. People react differently to both. Both can be used to get basic instincts going in the right directions.

I use PMs often. I don't really know what to say beyond that.

[Org]

No....just, no.

[Mephansteras]

The Glowing Tally Board
Frelock  : PrinnyBaal
Halmie  : JanusTwoFace
JanusTwoFace   : Jim Groovester, Kashyyk, Org, RedWarrior0
Org : JanusTwoFace, Kashyyk, PrinnyBaal
PrinnyBaal : Frelock, Halmie, Jim Groovester, Org, RandomNumberGenerator, RedWarrior0
RedWarrior0 : Leafsnail


I present to you our next duelists, JanusTwoFace and PrinnyBaal!



Set-up phase has started and will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday.

Duelists, send me your choice of attacking elements

Side-actions, please send me your decisions.

Everyone else, please state your assists.

[Org]

Leafsnail unvoted me

[Mephansteras]

Oh, missed that somehow. Apparently modding with a cold causes me to make more mistakes.

[Org]

Get well soon

[JanusTwoface]

I almost stayed out of the ring anyways.

Anyways, I would prefer an assist or two.  I don't particularly want to end up in the hospital ward.  And personally, I think that PrinnyBaal is much more likely to be scum than me.

[RandomNumberGenerator]

  And personally, I think that PrinnyBaal is much more likely to be scum than me.

You don't know if you're scum or not?

...

I was going to assist you, but now I'm not so sure...

[JanusTwoface]

Methinks that any chance at all is greater than 0%.  I know that I'm not scum and I'm sure that PrinnyBaal is either scum and/or crazy.  Does that make you happy?