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[JanusTwoface]

Ok, so interesting fun time.  I took Meph's script and duplicated it in Python (just because I find Perl a little to much fun to read).  The results are basically the same, so I think I got everything correctly.  The original thinking was, if we could check how long combat lasts, we can use that to determine who the combatants were.  It's more or less true.

The problem is that the deviations are still pretty high.  For example:
Mage vs Cabal Mage: 6.51 +- 2.74
Battle Mage vs Cabal Mage: 8.54 +- 3.51

The problem is, that's almost exactly equal to two Tower Mages:
Mage vs Mage: 6.80 +- 2.83

Basically, my point is that counting how long a duel lasts can really only help tell us if we know the Roles of the Mage's involved (what I've been saying and I think Pandarsenic (IIRC) was saying it as well).  So I definitely wouldn't count on it this time around.  In previous rounds (before the bonuses were lowered), maybe.  But not anymore.

Also, people who haven't assisted yet, but still could:
    * JanusTwoFace
    * rickvoid
    * RandomNumberGenerator
    * Frelock
    * Pandarsenic
    * PrinnyBaal

So now I'm curious.  Do we still believe that no assist is our best option?

[ExKirby]

Well, figures aren't a problem for me-either I die or I don't die. The problem is, how do I die?

[Jim Groovester]

Unless I'm mistaken, people who have elected to 'No Assist' can decide to change their mind and actually assist somebody, because they haven't inscribed their magic runes, or whatever the explanation was. Once they do decide, however, they cannot change.

JTF, if you don't like everybody no assisting, what's your suggestion on how to proceed? We've got all of Thanksgiving weekend to hash something out, so if you've got an idea, let's hear it.

[PrinnyBaal]

... If I felt it would really make much of a difference on something that's basically a risk-lynch as this is, I'd have assisted Kirb for being slightly more present, but as is I feel that I can't point at one or the other as more likely to be mafian, and undiluted data was preferred, so I went with No Assist. ((Honestly, I felt neither were mafian, but that's me.))

I personally think that going with the person I was more favorable towards (Kirb) would be preferable for me, it would be nice to switch to assisting him, since that IS what I wanted to do.

On the flip side; I would mention regardless; if there a difference at all between both side's stats, we can determine it from individual hits/misses if we get those at the least, right? I mean, obviously not the deviation, but enough exchanges might be able to give us some information...

Eh. Well, still, since I don't have much I've really said... I guess I'll just comment that much.

[Jim Groovester]

Whatever information we get from the match has to be gleaned from Meph's flavor text for the battle. We won't get numbers or anything like that.

Usually, though, he does a pretty good job of conveying what happens, but certainly not the specifics like how much a wizard missed by.

[Frelock]

Very true.  I think that no assisting is the best course of action for the moment.  The only real assist that we should do, if any, would be simple healing to increase the length of the battle.  Who wins isn't that important, it's how much they won by, and how many rolls they won.

[ExKirby]

In which case, I will (attempt to) assist myself with Earth healing.

[Kashyyk]

I don't think it is possible to assist yourself...

[Mephansteras]

In which case, I will (attempt to) assist myself with Earth healing.

Only an Alchemist can assist themselves, and even then only with a potion.

[Kashyyk]

More talking, less lurking guys.

[Org]

Hi how are ya.

[Kashyyk]

I'm good thanks. Where is everyone else?

[ExKirby]

Wow... way to make infoless posts.

[Org]

At least Im posting. Anyway, i already No assisted, so I cant really add anything.

[JanusTwoface]

More talking, less lurking guys.

This is mildly amusing coming from you...

Anyways, for those of us in the States, it's Thanksgiving.  Just as we tend to eat a lot of turkey, that tends to eat a lot of time.  I'll be back to post tomorrow after everything winds down.  Mephansteras already built in a delay for this, this phase can technically last until 5pm Pacific Monday.