Sorry for being out so long; Turkey day was fun. I'll be sure to be more active.
oh... I forgot about the US holiday...
Alright, so first off, I'll answer your question Alex. I was responsible for the ExKirby mislynch. First, I saw his seemingly off vote for Archangel. I called him on it, and pressed for his reasoning. He pointed at Dak and said "what he said." Now, that was completely stupid as he meant to be voting for you(Alex) the entire time. When pressed further, he couldn't come up with any real reasoning whatsoever. Hence, I voted for him. It seemed to me like he was going for what he might have thought would be an easy lynch, as Dak was on Alex at the time he originally voted. The real thing that got under my nerves was when he just kept quoting Dak's post, basically saying "I don't have any real reason to vote, but this guy says there's a reason, so I'll go with him."
Your reasons are sound. The fact that he stubbornly voted for me with dak's reasons even when dak explained him how he thought otherwise was lame. But consider for example, Kashyyk. The guy I pressured with no success on day 1. He never felt the need to vote because no one was scummy enough. Kashyyk is no newb like we might consider, ExKirby, who has not get the hang of mafia yet.
Would you say it's scummier to vote with someone else's reasons or not vote at all an glide through the game, unnoticed?
I don't really know why Rooster and Org joined me, but they came in after ExKirby revealed that he was voting for Alex, or basically near the end of the day, when there was no clear majority on anyone else. It's possible that they were just bandwaggoning, but why they didn't join ExKirby on lynching Alexhans (a far more active player) sort of dispels that theory. Of course, they had more reason to go against ExKirby than Alex, at least in my opinion.
ExKirby was much easier mislynch. Org voted exKirby in some kind of OMGUS-childish-rage, similar to what he is doing with me. That's his pattern. it seems.
Speaking of Alex, I'm somewhat curious as to how you survived ExKirby's super-saint attack. Day-kill immune townie? Of course you don't have to answer that, I'm just saying that it's unexpected ('course, the super-said part was unexpected too). I'm guessing the "modified" part meant that whomever he was voting for was killed, considering who was targeted. I wonder if he knew about this, and if so, why did he decide to kill Alex?
For the town's sake. This is a subject in wich I will not dwell to much unless a sufficient number people want me to talk about it. It would probably help scum. I'm glad to noticed it, though. That shows that you are paying attention. Unlike every other guy who has posted.
if the role didn't make Exkirby just kill whoever he was voting he probably chose me because, sadly, he thought i was scum.
Now, let's talk about what happened in the night. First, we have our two kills: Dak and Panda. Dak was a fairly obvious one; he was an active player who scumhunted. Panda, I'm not as sure about. He was somewhat active, but not so much as to attract attention. It's possible that his insistence on roleflips rather than transparency might have given him away as a third party. I think we can safely assume the conservatives had one kill. Just through the flavor of the name, I would guess the Stalinists had the second kill. This means there is some hope that the two groups will kill each other off. However, this does not allow the town to do absolutely nothing during the day.
Man... I've missed this. Even if you are scum. I'm so thankful for your post. I didn't think that Pandar was an obv third party. His reasons for roleflips were pretty good, IMO. He didn't scumhunt though.
Crosskills are relatively good odds throughout the game. But, as you say, we can't take chances.
A quick statement on what happened with the issues last night: we had someone or someones who completely liberalized roleflips (thank you for that). We also have the questionable legal status of Cerfews, which is odd. I think that we should be safe and assume it's still conservative for now. Then finally we have the censorship law locked in place. That is quite annoying, but I think we can still work around it. I'm going to go and place an unneded vote on Free Speech and say no more about the issues.
I think we could theorize that whoever voted censorship during the day does not belong to the scumteam (prob conservatives) that locked the issue. That goes in my TOCHECK list.
Frelock, never mind my "town fervor". Even if I was scum. It's in town's best interest to look at everyone and scumhunt. There's no reason for people to tunnel-vision and shutting like clams about everythign else.
As to who is scum? I'm currently leaning towards Org: he voted for ExKirby with little reasoning of his own, and now he striking at Alex with little point. Of course, Org could just be playing stupid as well, I don't really know yet. When everybody is talking, I'll turn my attention to him.
I have this growing feeling that Org is genuine and town. Don't fall again on the easy-newbscum trap. We can't just let him play like this but he should focus on other people too.
Thus far, Bulborish and Eduren have yet to show up.
and Mr.Person!!! This is extremely important. There's 3 players who arent playing and don't feel the need. If Mr.Person doesn't come up with some good posts soon I'm gonna recommend that we lynch him before it's too late. I would be voting him if I only were allowed to vote once. He knows that lurking aids scum. He comes and posts one liners and dissapears again. If that is not flying under the radar. I don't know what is.
FoS: Mr.Person (just to make it clear)
I hate you all.
One other thing I should mention, did we really have 2 mafias and an SK? Seems rather overboard on scum to me. Of course, with 3 kills per day/night, there was bound to be plenty of scum dying to other scum.
Sk had a different kind of kill... Powerful, but only after day 2. So we are free of that one. If stalinists have a kill. It makes me sad to realize the fact that there's no town vigilante, I mean, come on... this is the LCS... :roll: We use GUNS and violence to liberalize the world.
Frelock & Alexhans: <facepalm> I didn't join you! Neighter was my voting a wagon in any way. I was the first voter. I just didn't unvote him.
Ok. why didn't you?
Frelock: No I didn't come after him after voting for Alex. In fact it was randomvote the whole time from me.
again. Why did you stick to a random vote to lynch someone?
Also I didn't say nothing on last night. Can you read? I said we were damn lucky to see SK dead.
Well... that's not really useful is it. I mean, we can all post fluff and jokes but posting something about the game could've been cool.
Alexhans is just doing a "I dare you" stunt just like Panda did earlier. It really didn't help Pandarsenic at night.
Ok... I was thinking about unvoting you to focus on other people. But this doesn't sound well. First, specify what you mean with the "stunt". Second, is that a threat? It surely sounds like it. Are you relishing in the fact that I might die or what?
Alexhans: What do you expect from me? To repent for having a hand in lynching ExKirby?
You gotta be joking. Why didn't you just openly said that ExKirby isn't worth it and went for someone else like an avalanche?
No. Just explain what were your reasons so we can all understand if your motives were pro-town. I didn't vote Exkirby. I called him stubborn. I tried to reason with him. If you didn't understand that I didn't want him lynched, it's your fault. I went after kashyyk but no one took any notice.
Vote Frelock: misinterpreting of what I said. Saying like he was the most important part in all this. Only scum should put words in someone's mouth. Keep that in mind
wrong. Maybe you're just overreacting to a scumhunt attempt. If you think someone is putting words into your mouth contradict them and explain why. Don't just vote because they might very well be town.
Also, what do you think about the lurkers? We should let them win if they're scum because they aren't playing?
The fact that a townie got lynched means very little. And because of Alexhans post almost no one will vote for him, and if someone did, that would be highly suspicious. Nice WIFOM Alexhans
Dude... if you're accusing me do it the straight way. Don't beat around the bush with generics. Explain what I said and why do you think is scummy.
Wich post? Why no one will vote for me? Why would it be suspicious for someone to vote me? (do you think there's good reasons to vote me?) What WIFOM did I make?