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[Pandarsenic]

A question for the mod:
If roleflips are liberalized, will we retroactively know the roles of all people who have died, or just the ones who die after it's been liberalized?

This is important but it should still be the first thing we liberalize. We need accurate info for tomorrow day; anyone who doesn't want to liberalize this is focusing overmuch on the night.

[ExKirby]

Well, we need to work out where we stand at the moment, so I wanna go for Censorship. I mean, if the first bit of Frelock's question is correct, then what's to prevent us from Liberalizing on a day away from lylo?

[Pandarsenic]

That's transparency, not censorship, which we should liberalize d2.

[ExKirby]

No-I meant in our role PMs.

[Pandarsenic]

Because there may be millers or antimillers, and while there's the solution of just seeing the numbers of each role with transparency, I want to see accurate roleflips.

[Rooster]

I may be new, but you make quite a fuss about millers

WHAT.THE.HECK.IS.THAT?

Something related to roleflips?

Voted for censorship because there are 12 people in the game, if most people actually have a role, then there is a probability that it's censored, but that will make us unable to fight back at night.

[Cheeetar]

A miller is a character that reads scum on investigations (e.g. cop) but isn't scum.

And by e.g. cop I mean the cop sort of investigation, not that a cop reads scum on investigation.

[ExKirby]

I don't think it's possible to have modified cops in a game with a miller.

[Cheeetar]

You're misunderstanding my admittedly poor explanation. I'm trying to say: If investigated, a miller shows up as scum. Even if not scum.

[ExKirby]

I know, but my point was beside the point. The point is, we need our full role PMs before we do anything.

[dakarian]

I've been in a game where my role had hidden parts.

I've been in a game where there were hidden factions.

I've been in a game with death millers.

Hidden aspects to your role is annoying, but can be overcome even if the mod never tells you what's up.  Death millers cause risky issues. 

Hidden Factions kick you in the #%% REAL fast.  The game plays very differently if there are 2 scum groups, or a cult, or a batch of masons.  Thus I want to know what we're up against first.  Then we can aim for either buffing up our power roles or ensuring our rolflips are accurate.

[dakarian]

Oh BTW, we'll also get a good handle on whether there are 3rd parties floating around.  If there's a chance I can learn of a possible Jester or SK I'm ALL for it.

[ExKirby]

Well, you DO have a point.

[Leafsnail]

Vote count (the agenda):
Transparency: Alexhans, Frelock, dakarian [3]
Censorship: MagmaDeath, Rooster, ExKirby [3]
Curfews: Mr.Person [1]
Free Speech: Org, bulborbish [2]
Roleflips: Pandarsenic [1]

Vote count (glorified rednecks):
Rooster: MagmaDeath,[1]
ExKirby: Rooster [1]
Org: Mr.Person, Alexhans, ExKirby [3]
Mr.Person: Pandarsenic [1]
Kashyyk: Frelock [1]
Pandarsenic: bulborish [1]
Alexhans: dakarian [1]

Inform me of any errors.

And there are some issues which, once liberalised, will not benefit the scum to have reconservatized.

[ExKirby]

OK, I'll go for transparency and request a Day Shortening.