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Yes, give us more animals!

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No, I rather take it easy!

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Total Members Voted: 25

[Patchouli]

Dunno. I always just figured that very few people liked the Lunarians that were actually living on the moon.

[Psieye]

I don't see why not in principle. In detail though, what would their power level be? A lot of people don't like the Lunarians on the Moon because they're overpowered (or plain underwhelming in the case of the normal moon rabbits). We've been used to Gensokyo residents being way above mortals in the outside world but many people couldn't swallow "oh btw, there's a race who are way above the Gensokyo residents and they live on the Moon." when it came out with little warning. Apparently people didn't consider Eirin's stunt in IN to be overwhelming and it wasn't until CoLA that it was revealed she also messed with the orbital period of the moon just to screw up invaders.

So then if you want to be true to their power level, you need to make them megabeasts or such. If you don't care about that detail, then you can add them anywhere.

[JediaKyrol]

I say change the name to Suika-Den...get it...like Suikoden...but with suika...and it's a den...and... ...ok...I need to lay off the coffee

[lolghurt]

You should totally have Lily White spawn at the start of spring, as some peaceful entity.

[Psieye]

Uh hey, just noticed that it's been over a week since my turn and half a week since T34G3 said he couldn't take his turn so passed it to Serpetarius. Is this game still on or do we need to shift to Totaku's turn?

[Totaku]

Uh hey, just noticed that it's been over a week since my turn and half a week since T34G3 said he couldn't take his turn so passed it to Serpetarius. Is this game still on or do we need to shift to Totaku's turn?

Yes, the game is still going on at the MotK forum. I plan to inform everyone later today about what Serp told me. I had been very busy over the last few days fiddling with many things including dealing with the return of an old friend of mine who runs a comic that I use to participate in years back.

Anyways.... I would like to inform you all that I recently decided that I'm considering adding Inabas as another race in the game. I would see them living in a simalar matter like Elves, but possibly live in a simlar setting  like the humans and kappas. Not sure how I plan to set them up just yet. But I'll put something together in the weeks to follow...

You should totally have Lily White spawn at the start of spring, as some peaceful entity.

That would be the most fitting thing if only it was possible. But alas she would only appear in the Spring in any given time. Anyways, like I've said before until some things start coming together on Toady's side, I haven't considered putting the Touhou charaters in yet since I want them to be different.

But hey as soon as creatures of the night come into play and assuming they are editable.... I should have an chance to throw in some actual Touhous.

[lolghurt]

That would be the most fitting thing if only it was possible. But alas she would only appear in the Spring in any given time. Anyways, like I've said before until some things start coming together on Toady's side, I haven't considered putting the Touhou charaters in yet since I want them to be different.

But hey as soon as creatures of the night come into play and assuming they are editable.... I should have an chance to throw in some actual Touhous.

When/if you put them in (actual characters, not yukkuri), will they be at full power, at hiso tensoku power, or at on of the shooters' powers?
Or will the absurdly strong ones never appear at all?

[Totaku]

That would be the most fitting thing if only it was possible. But alas she would only appear in the Spring in any given time. Anyways, like I've said before until some things start coming together on Toady's side, I haven't considered putting the Touhou charaters in yet since I want them to be different.

But hey as soon as creatures of the night come into play and assuming they are editable.... I should have an chance to throw in some actual Touhous.

When/if you put them in (actual characters, not yukkuri), will they be at full power, at hiso tensoku power, or at on of the shooters' powers?
Or will the absurdly strong ones never appear at all?

When I do put the charaters in, it'll likely when Toady finally make some head way with the magic system (which is a few years down the road). Because my main goal will be to use what I know about the charaters, and spellcards form my experience of playing the games and apply them to the actual game.

Though to be fair, I would probably have to simplify them because I could not possibly imagine DF being able to process alot of magical actions occuring at once.

But then again we don't know what magics going to imply all together so it may be wishful thinking on my end.

But here are something I'll put together explain some things I have in mind assuming magic will be customizable and workable once it's release.

Spoiler: Big list of ideas (click to show/hide)

Teleportation: this is important for yukkuri yukari as well as yukari herself to have this. It may not be crossing a gap specificly, but it would likely fit along the same feild. See this yukkuri randomly gap her way into your fort would be amusing.

Controlled blinking: More or less the only way I can think of to capture Sakuya's time control. Because as expected since the game runs in real time, we can't exactly freeze time so the second best thing would be that.

Useage of elements: Very important for nearly every chacter, especially Patchouli. To my view, having it so she could use spells like Agni Shrine, and Emarald Megalith as well as Royal Flare would be a plus, also I could see water magic being used to flood out your fortress.

Wall brakeing magic and lasers: Important for Marisa. The day we can make lasers and brake down walls will be the day I create a MArisa that'll fire the master spark at your fort. Imagine the lives it could obliterate!

Summon: Important for Ichirin and Alice, need a way to make it possible for them to summon assisit in battle. And hopefully down to specific summons. Otherwise symbiotic relationships will be important.

Symbotic relationships and war pets: This is another case of wanting specific things to be made avaliable. This would be important especially for Satori. As for reading minds, that just requires in an insane evasion rate (that is already possible)

Invisibility: This is already achivable, to some degree. But what I would like would be a charater to become invisible again. This is important for Koishi! Fading from the subconsious and killing unsucpeting Suikas would be a big plus.

Buffing: Important for Byakyuren as well as Byakuren yukkuri. Since we know her magics mainly about buffing more than anything else. But I would like to include some way to make those simlar features found in some of her spellcards too.
Powerlevels: Don't truely follow those all together. Though to be fair, I base the current size of creatures of Suika Fortress on a difficulty overall. This will however change in the future once Toady impliments size features. Because then for instance.... the Suikas will have to "climb humans" to litterally to stab to hurt them on certain areas (since they are suppose to be really tiny replicas to begin with.) If the Touhou characters themselves can be made more of a challenge from magic alone then they may stay roughly the size of a human. Othewise, well, we'll see what the future has in store...

There's many other things I want to consider but I will say for the time being, I do have some actual Touhou canidates in mind...

With creature of the night being an important adventure mode feature. This will allow me to begin a testing ground for certain TOuhou charaters.

For example:

Spoiler:  Lists of ideas of how to connect Touhous to night creatures (click to show/hide)

Some victims can end up drained as subvillains or slaves in the same way a bandit leader has subordinates

Does anyone think of certain youkais that can do this? And of course there's also Remillia.

Killing them might ultimately require burying or burning a body, etc.

Since the youkais are truely incapable of truely dying, maybe there will be a wake to make them absolutely unkillable but at least make thier bodies disappear and reappear in an entirely differnt location!

Can be cursed by night creatures when you put them down

Does that not sounds like something that could happen if you attempt to kill Hina?

Diseases/plagues could be included as indirect torments, as well as famine once site resources can be assailed

This of course sounds like a Yamane thing.

So as you can see based on some of the ideas Today has been putting together I may have a way to introduce Touhous into this. Just not alot for now. They'll mainly serve as a testing ground for future charaters.

The canidates I have in mind are: Rumia, Mystia, Yamane, Hina, Wriggle and maybe Remilia

Though to be honest, I rather save Remilia for incase Toady decides to make something like a dark overlord that rules in a mansion of some sort. Then I would have something new planned for that. ^^ Imagine a mansion full of armed maids and Remilia being like the dark overlord ruling over them and if I can mixes others in, then  Sakuya, PAtchouli and Meiling can be worked into the mix.

Like I said before alot of this stuff is in long term planning, but at least there's a good chance I could include some Touhou charater eventually once the night creatures are put in. I just hope these night creatures are "pyshical creatures" and not something like a entity like a god or something, otherwise this plan would go to waste.

[Psieye]

For example:

Some victims can end up drained as subvillains or slaves in the same way a bandit leader has subordinates

Does anyone think of certain youkais that can do this? And of course there's also Remillia.

Can be cursed by night creatures when you put them down

Does that not sounds like something that could happen if you attempt to kill Hina?

Remilia cannot do that. It's part of her canon that she's a light eater so can never drain enough blood to kill a victim. Most she can do is make them feel anemic. If you need a vampire who can do that, there's always Kurumi (PC-98). As for Hina... a technicality: how do you kill a doll goddess? Sure, you'd get cursed when you attack her, but I don't see how you can kill a goddess.

[Patchouli]

For example:

Some victims can end up drained as subvillains or slaves in the same way a bandit leader has subordinates

Does anyone think of certain youkais that can do this? And of course there's also Remillia.

Can be cursed by night creatures when you put them down

Does that not sounds like something that could happen if you attempt to kill Hina?

Remilia cannot do that. It's part of her canon that she's a light eater so can never drain enough blood to kill a victim. Most she can do is make them feel anemic. If you need a vampire who can do that, there's always Kurumi (PC-98). As for Hina... a technicality: how do you kill a doll goddess? Sure, you'd get cursed when you attack her, but I don't see how you can kill a goddess.

It could just be represented differently, like in Fairy Wars, where Cirno is fueled by motivation rather than health.

You'd just need to change the itemcorpse to something more appropriate to a goddess that's fed up with Suika's shenanigans.

[Psieye]

True, there are alternatives which work well, such as "Avatar of Misfortune" in the form of Hina or saying Hina is possessing something suitable which leaves behind a suitable itemcorpse when Hina is ejected.

[Totaku]

For example:

Some victims can end up drained as subvillains or slaves in the same way a bandit leader has subordinates

Does anyone think of certain youkais that can do this? And of course there's also Remillia.

Can be cursed by night creatures when you put them down

Does that not sounds like something that could happen if you attempt to kill Hina?

Remilia cannot do that. It's part of her canon that she's a light eater so can never drain enough blood to kill a victim. Most she can do is make them feel anemic. If you need a vampire who can do that, there's always Kurumi (PC-98). As for Hina... a technicality: how do you kill a doll goddess? Sure, you'd get cursed when you attack her, but I don't see how you can kill a goddess.

Yeah, I nearly forgot about that part about Remilia, all her servants are alive and well when I think about it. And choose to work for her under thier own accord. So yeah, I might as well toss her out of this plan. Everyone else is still good.

And also if you read a bit about night creatures, they can't be killed by normal methods. So straight out beating up Hina should not kill her permamently. She would eventually come back for some more (and most likely retaliate!) If there is a way to make the said night creature not killed by special means....then it would practically make it an eternal being! Thus it would be simalar to a god. Course if this could work on her....I could imagine making mokou a possible charater to! Just without the minons or slaves bit......

But yeah like I said, this is going to more or less serve as a testing ground for future plans. So these Touhous may not be final in terms of where they will be placed game wise. And it's all going to be on the back burner for a while until Today gets far enough that we can finally have the night creatures.

For example:

Some victims can end up drained as subvillains or slaves in the same way a bandit leader has subordinates

Does anyone think of certain youkais that can do this? And of course there's also Remillia.

Can be cursed by night creatures when you put them down

Does that not sounds like something that could happen if you attempt to kill Hina?

Remilia cannot do that. It's part of her canon that she's a light eater so can never drain enough blood to kill a victim. Most she can do is make them feel anemic. If you need a vampire who can do that, there's always Kurumi (PC-98). As for Hina... a technicality: how do you kill a doll goddess? Sure, you'd get cursed when you attack her, but I don't see how you can kill a goddess.

It could just be represented differently, like in Fairy Wars, where Cirno is fueled by motivation rather than health.

You'd just need to change the itemcorpse to something more appropriate to a goddess that's fed up with Suika's shenanigans.

Well that's an interesting thought, though I'm still need to figure out one key problem then... body parts. Sure we could hack them apart that way, but their body parts don't exactly become corpse items (unless maybe you like probably with a whole lot of work on changing specific body parts, haven't tried so I don't know.) For the majority of Gensokyo this would be ok I guess since they can regenerate. But for the certain key humans (like Reimu, Marisa and Keine[yes I count her as one even though she's half a one), and maybe the Enieitei team excluding the immortals, this wouldn't quite work. Not in my book. My main goal was to try to keep it on a somewhat canon aspect. Though I know not all of it can work. But hopfully in the long run there can be a solution to some of these situations that are brought up.

For right now, my current objective is to consider adding in new creatures and the Inaba race like I discussed before hand.

[Totaku]

Alright, I'm here with a new update.

Right now I'm busy adding in some new creatures.... rather different this time compared to the usual.... My main plan right now is to add very youkai and other wild life that have become part of the Gensokyo universe.

Currently I've turned to focus on some critters of the underground.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

As you see here, I plan to introduce hell cats and hell ravens. They pretty much will be about the size of a standard cat and bird but will have the ability to breath flames.

The hell cat itself shouldn't be much different from the standard cat. If tamed it should hunt vermin, adopt it's own owner (more dangers for your FPS), and pretty much behave like other cats do... course this critter breaths flames too. But as a bigger bonus... It's fast too.

They will likely be found deep in the caverns or within magma pipes. More or less they'll be like a cat and a fire imp combined. And likely tamable if caught. (probably should be an exotic pet)

Hell ravens will be roughly more or less about the size of a cat and can fly and breath flames. And they should be able to swim into the magma. They will likely be located in magma pipes and deep underground caverens as well. And will likely be an exotic pet like the hell cat.

Some other idea I have in mind are possibly adding in Kedamas and wild faires. I want to make faires an actual race, but I'm unsure how flying races handle when they aren't a playable race and if they even function.

Also considering ghost faries and ghostly spirits for the underground. Course the big question is how will thier bodies be handle. I would treat them like a gas. But one puncture and pop! Sure they need to be weak, but come on, that a bit too weak (which is why I can't allow Unzan in the game.

Also I realized the Mima yukkuri never got her megabeast tag so it never appeared in the game. That should be fixed by the next release.

Any other advice on this part will help since it's all in production still.

[lolghurt]

Also considering ghost faries and ghostly spirits for the underground. Course the big question is how will thier bodies be handle. I would treat them like a gas. But one puncture and pop! Sure they need to be weak, but come on, that a bit too weak (which is why I can't allow Unzan in the game.

But fairies ARE that weak.
The unnamed ones, anyway.
Fairies would be like that but have [LITTERSIZE:10:50] or something.

[Patchouli]

Also considering ghost faries and ghostly spirits for the underground. Course the big question is how will thier bodies be handle. I would treat them like a gas. But one puncture and pop! Sure they need to be weak, but come on, that a bit too weak (which is why I can't allow Unzan in the game.

But fairies ARE that weak.
The unnamed ones, anyway.
Fairies would be like that but have [LITTERSIZE:10:50] or something.

Some of those stage 6 fairies are pretty mean though.