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civilians

42 (40.8%)

military

23 (22.3%)

dwarf

19 (18.4%)

kobold

19 (18.4%)

Total Members Voted: 103

[LegoLord]

I've been playing a cave fort lately with the clown and wonderment mods.  After awhile, I noticed most dwarves on the deceased list were expendable military.  Only one or two civilians.  This is strange, as normally my civilians are always getting caught and killed by ambushes, and the military gets plenty of time to toughen up before having members killed of en mass.

So what's the norm for you guys, would you say?  Dangerous to be in the military, or dangerous to be a civilian?

[Rowanas]

Way more dangerous to be in the military for mine. given the sparring accident rate, you know a dwarf is elite material if he survives till the first real fight.

[Count Dorku]

I tend to have a slightly higher civilian death toll, although that one varies depending on things like flux supplies or Degree of Civilian Stupidity.

[HAMMERMILL]

Definately civilians, since I make them all hunters and arm them, instead of retreating they get caught alone out hauling a felled tree and then they stand their ground against mobs of goblins and die fighting with their crappy crossbow with a stack of 5 perch bone bolts or whatever. (My civilian population will massacrefy a snatcher or kobold in a span of about a second though which makes up for it)

All my professional soldiers usually end up as champions and multi- legendaries because my of obsessive military training regime and they will eat flying crossbow bolts and shit out goblin bones without any real threat to their safety. I lose more soldiers to training accidents then seiges or ambushes.

[Canadark]

I'm playing with dig deeper, so I've had to assume a very defensive strategy employing huge numbers of marksdwarfs and traps. Casualties have been relatively low, but the civilians tend to take more damage.

[Sysice]

Civilians, mostly because I always take the fast option, even if it means losing a dwarf. Also, since I'm playing Dig Deeper, anyone that likes "elven retreats" gets to remove the wall holding back the magma. I also don't let the sieges get to me, so only dwarves can kill other dwarves. I also train my military until they are full in each stat and at least profiesional shield users before giving them weapons, so that doesn't happen often.

[Skorpion]

Most of it. Mostly through cave-in accidents, magma flows, and the like.

Ignoring nobles, however. Banning export of rings my ass. Onto the spikes with him!

[SenorOcho]

From my current exploits in SOAP FORTRESS:

1. Titan appears. Chases one of my butchers across the map, getting peppered with crossbow bolts the entire time.  Finally dies after bashing the butcher's head in.
2. Dragon appears. Immediately runs into the mayor's house, frying the mayor after several doorway dances (the mayor REALLY wanted to eat that mushroom), then steps outside into a hail of bolts and dies.  Amusingly, this dwarf just got elected over the expedition leader and this was his first meal in the mayor's house.

Total civilian losses: 1 butcher (titan), 1 woodworker (dragon), 3 hunters (death by running out of ammunition... learned my lesson and armed the second set with steel swords), 1 soapmaker (emergency draft to hold off an ambush to save my trader... that was my good soaper too  ), 1 peasant (decided to play "distract the goblin archers so the marksdwarves are undistracted from their job").
Total military losses: 0

2 megabeasts, 3 ambushes, 0 sieges. Currently in year 6, still working on finishing enough of the fortress to make the move from my "temporary" camp.  Then I can finally make the roads to get the king to show up.

[Derakon]

Generally the only dangerous stuff my civilians do is building the walls that enclose the (often sizable) part of the outdoors that I want to let civilians work in. And they get guarded by patrols when they do that.

Once that wall is up, the only outdoor things civilians have to worry about are the ones that fly.

[moki]

I'd say dwarf... it's about 50/50 between military and civilian dorfs. Kobolds are relatively safe, compared to that 

When a champion reaches legendary with wrestling, armor, shield and weapons of his choice, he gets complete layered armor (leather, iron chainmail, iron platemail) and becomes pretty much invulnerable. Until that moment he's pretty much cannon fodder for everyone, including gobbos, kobolds, wildlife and sparring partners.
Civilians just happen to have accidents from time to time, usually from wandering outside at the wrong time. Very important legendary civilians get some wardogs and basic military training, so they can survive an ambush, at least long enough for the real military to finish their drinks and come outside.
Nobles have a slightly higher rate of interesting accidents, say bedroom filled with magma or falling off a giant tower after pulling a lever... Compared to nobles, kobolds really do live a happy life 

[Aspgren]

I voted civilian but upon further reflection I'm not sure.

When it comes to goblins I always make a priority to meet the siegers and off them. When it's ambushes I either postpone construction on risk areas or scramble all my military to protect said constructions, or spider silk farms, fishing areas, farms, forests that are being cut ... anything where my civilians roam.

This way the workers are relatively safe. Fisherdwarves, woodcutters and weavers also get to have war dogs just in case.

 ... but no. Civilians die more often because of becoming stuck on my construction projects, cave-ins, skeletal eagles swooping in through the backdoor and pure unadultered neglect.

[Urist McDepravity]

Mostly civilians, since properly equipped legendary wrestler-hammer-marksdwarf-au-su (i cross-train everyone to these 3 weaps) can wipe most of the threats single-handedly, and i keep 20-30 of such. All my military casualties come from accidents and from giant toads from underground river. Those are worse than clowns for some reason. Plus pulling in the water.

[Jervous]

So far on my latest fortress I've only lost two dwarves. One was a hunter, and the other one was a glassmaker that just got a mood right when I ran out of charcoal.

[Overspeculated]

Player negligence: The most dangerous foe of any dwarf anywhere in the world.

[Grendus]

In my current fort, it's more dangerous to be a trade negotiator. I have a drowning pit I use against the orcs (Dig Deeper) but accidentally dropped my trade liaison from the dwarves into it. Pisses me off, actually, the orcs showed up at the start of last autumn so I didn't get dwarf trade, so all those mithril and gold nuggets I requested... yea, not coming. At least I have some native mithril to make up for it.

In my normal fort though I tend to lose more military babies. They either die or get maimed from being used as shields, and if they survive they occasionally get caught by the snatchers (though I take 6 or 7 snatchers to the lost child, so it's a fair trade). If any adult dies though it tends to be full military though, I can tell ambushes are coming by the FPS drop so I have dwarves waiting for them. Ironically, in one fort my most heavily armored dwarves died the most, which was bizarre. I'm getting to like the deathtrap design though, much easier.