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What's it more dangerous for a dwarf to be in your forts?

civilians
- 42 (40.8%)
military
- 23 (22.3%)
dwarf
- 19 (18.4%)
kobold
- 19 (18.4%)

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AtomicPaperclip

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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2009, 02:17:50 pm »

Most of it. Mostly through cave-in accidents, magma flows, and the like.

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Yeah, I think in my forts miners die about 5x more often than woodcutters/plant gatherers, who die about 2x more than civilians/military
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2009, 03:20:01 pm »

My current fort is a little unusual in that civilians are being killed more frequently than military. I have a new PC and a much higher pop-cap on a 2x2 map, ambushes are rarely on the map long before they score some kill on a poor woodcutter or one of my many serfs.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2009, 03:32:01 pm »

So far my death tolls have been 100% civilian. A decent military with trap support can destroy goblins with ease, but if a civilian is busy woodcutting, hauling from the last goblins, picking up the stones from my catapult practice that are half the map away >:( or hunting and is then ambushed they will most likely die.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2009, 03:38:28 pm »

95% Military, Sparring accidents, recruit death, death from bolts/arrows/enemies
I don't use many traps, makes the game way to easy

4% Civilian, Beatings, failure to follow stay inside orders

1% Nobility, Stupidity

(left to right in order of death toll. left lowest right highest)

usually only about 2 deaths a year.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2009, 05:17:41 pm »

I think my only civilian casualties are failed moods (only one per fortress so far) and hunters who are off on the far side of the map when goblins appear.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2009, 05:32:55 pm »

im playing dig deeper on a chasm/volcano map
my first hunter gets beat to death by green slime then 9 dwarves go to get his stuff and get attacked by 2 fire imps
the imps kill 7 of those and start a forest fire that kills 1 dwarf and a human caravan
then the last dwarf runs near the chasm and is kicked into it by a giant termite
then the year after that a human siege comes

all of those dwarves were civilians and these kindsof things hapen all the time
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2009, 05:57:04 pm »

Out of 33 coffins with names on them, only one belongs to a real military dwarf.  She was Legendary +5 in Wrestling, Shield Use, and Hammers and pretty dang high up in Armor Use, too.  She was in steel full plate of exceptional and masterful quality and she was wielding a masterful steel hammer.  She and four or five others of similar skill and equipment were engaging eight or so goblins.

One of the goblins got lucky or she got unlucky.  Just goes to show you never can tell.

No deaths due to training accidents as my military dwarves trained up without weapons until Grand Master Wrestling at least, and were put in steel full plate of exceptional and masterful quality being given their silver training hammers.

Since the hammer squads are now wielding their masterful steel hammers and the thirteen Royal Guard often start with no skills (but full sets of exceptional and masterful steel plate), I'm rather surprised none of the guard have taken a fatal hit, yet.

No deaths due to cave-ins.  After countless accidents in the past I've finally learned to be mindful of this sort of thing, so far.  No promises.

I'm not counting the civilian-caught-in-an-ambush-turned-fresh-recruit as military, though.  They're just civvies who were told to fight back.

Kobolds, though, have died more than anything else.  All of my dwarves have very high stats.  So if a kobold is spotted and a civilian is recruited that recruit can and will catch and kill that kobold.

Still, I am missing an artifact ring.  It ended up outside and a year or two later it was gone.  Shouldn't I be seeing kobold ambushes at some point?
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2009, 06:11:35 pm »

wood cuters because of my clearing away all trees evey 2 years.
hunters cause thay run at any thing
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2009, 08:38:12 pm »

on my current fort i'm next to a river with non vermin fish. i think you can figure out the rest from there
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2009, 08:53:30 pm »

Mostly civilian, with some incompetent/unlucky soldiers. My main method of detecting ambushes/intercepting sieges is with woodcutters and wandering fisherdwarves, so they have crazy mortality rates. Aside from that, I lose dwarves to marksgobbos, insufficient agility, and occasionally getting mobbed.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2009, 10:10:59 pm »

Far and away more dangerous in my military. It is my personal belief that they _should_ be the only ones in danger at any given time (in most forts at least) so I do my best to have them bear the brunt of the casualties if casualties are necessary.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2009, 11:36:23 pm »

Fairly large. Usually when a woodcutter gets jumped, or when I forget to forbid death items I'll lose a good deal of civilians.

Most of the time, though, it's magma mishaps that claim the lives of a good deal of civilians.

Other causes of death include:
-Carp
-Forgetting to lock up the legendary moody dwarf that can't get his materials. Inevitably, goes berserk.
-Testing the drawbridges.
-Testing the moats.
-Testing both at once.
-Civilian wandering across as I pull the lever to raise the drawbridges and dump elves into the moat.
-Magma moat
-Forgetting to prevent fire imps from wandering in
-Skeletal sasquatch
-Working mothers carrying babies outside into sub-zero conditions to remove or build constructions
-Children removing constructions in sub-zero temperatures.
-"What did this lever do again?"
-Forgetting to build an off switch for my pumps.
-Hand-pumping magma without any way of sealing the magma off from the operator
-Forgetting for the umpteenth time that retracting bridges don't provide support fifteen stories up
-Goblin ambush that somehow creeps into the sleeping quarters
-Ballista practice
-Removing the wrong construction at the wrong time.
-Boredom
« Last Edit: November 08, 2009, 11:51:13 pm by Arramiy »
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2009, 12:01:16 am »

I have a high mortality rate amongst my military. Every once in a while I go and draft about half of my haulers. They all get the highest quality weapons I have available and some wooden bucklers. The ones who live are allowed the honor of getting to fight in a battle. The ones who die or are seriously wounded, either die, are put back into the civilian ranks, or are put into the crippled ranks of the crossbowdwarves. I also have very few casualties because I only go outside for resources like trees when necessary and even then I keep some gaurdsmen near the task site and along the path to and from the fort. That being said I have high mortality rate for civilians as well, not as much as the militia recruits, but still high amounts of death.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2009, 12:05:19 am »

Playing dig deeper right now, deaths are about the same compared to vanilla.  Most deaths tend to be from forest fires or ambushes.  Woodcutters are the most dangerous profession once I learned how not to kill my miners when obsidian casting. (current fortress 1st death in year 2 from fire-imp forest fire, dang imps burnt lots of wooden furniture and wood stocks the first summer before the moat was in place)

When I first started in vanilla, penetrating aquifers would kill several miners as they were swept to their deaths as they valiantly cut islands of safety into the water-spurting rock.  Then of course, I figured out how to do it safely.

Orc sieges wiped out a my first fortresses before I wizened up and started building the walls and bridge-traps early summer having about 3-5 of my seven build like crazy.  Currently I have a lava moat and retractable bridges to dump attackers.  I need to build another lock system so I can get the shiny steel.

Military deaths are mostly from marksdwarves on the wall who noticed an ambush before fortification were placed on that section.
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Re: What portion of your death toll is civilians?
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2009, 07:24:56 am »

I've been playing nils Relentless Assault mod (Which is pretty awesome :) ), so I constantly undererestimate the enemies and send my small military to engage the enemy :p
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