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[birdy51]

The flavor is fine other than the fact that I don't drink and, quite frankly, I'm angered by even the thought. But it's pretty good flavor other than my silly nit-pick.

Noted.

Sorry about offending you... It was an accident, but you are more than justified at being a bit peturbed. I basically pulled names and sort of wrote as I went. Still, rest assured that I'll make a note about that in the future!

If it's any comfort, I don't actually drink myself. Never really felt the need to.

I'll backup GM. Also you should probably announce the game in the games threshold discussion thread.

You will now be reffered to as Spymaster Zombie Urist. Congratulations on your promotion!

[Shinigami_King]

After being attacked by daruish, I am afraid of offending anyone by accidentally posting in the wrong thread again. Hopefully this is the right thread.

How about an E3 type of game split into four factions. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft and indie. Every faction has unique power roles that could revolve around converting players or something, I don't know. Just thought that if I threw out the idea others could help come up with the rules and how the entire thing would work.

[Mephansteras]

This is indeed the correct thread.

Multiple factions can work pretty well. The only real downside to it is that there is a higher chance that any given faction is going to be placed in a nearly unwinnable situation early on. You also have to figure out how things work at the end-game with tiebreakers. Normally, it's Mafia wins if they have equal to or greater number of players than the town. With more than two actual factions, that logic doesn't quite work as-is.

I'd probably balance it by having the teams get powered inversely depending on where they are on the tiebreaker totem. So the team that beats everyone else in a 1-1-1-1 tie get the weakest power roles.

[Shinigami_King]

A higher chance of success in the long run but you give up short term convenience and strength pretty much. Seems fair.

How would a conversion system work, I've seen them before but the game was a bust.

[Mephansteras]

A cult type system? Probably a bad choice in a game with that many factions. Those work better as either a replacement scum team or a third party in a standard mafia game.

For 4 factions you're really just better off using standard powers with maybe a unique team power.

Besides, by the time a game is at E3 it's far to late to be talking about changing platforms. :p

[GlyphGryph]

What you CAN do is have the "Indie" side effectively be non-exclusive with other side victories.

Then each of the three "platforms" could essentially be cults that could try and pull in the Indies. (but can't cult the already-converted)

The Indies could have their own initial wincon that gets overwritten, meaning they have an incentive to either: not get converted at all, or only get converted by the ultimate winner.

It could be interesting, at least.

On another note, I've been thinking of doing a fairly basic System Shock 2 themed mafia game - would anyone be interested?

[Toaster]

Isn't that basically how the Religious Mafia way back when worked?

[Leafsnail]

Religious Flame War Mafia suffered from a couple of issues - firstly, that the value of scumhunting was highly debatable, since all it did was piss off mafia members and make them more likely to kill you.  And secondly, the weird kill mechanics meant that it was possible for one scumteam to decapitate the other and then claim in-thread (after which the game was basically locked with the claimed scumteam's inevitable victory).

[Servant Corps]

The real problem was that most of the "town" were actually Survivors, who win so long as they don't die. So they have an incentive to stay passive and not attract much attention (which would most likely get them killed).

Reducing the number of Survivors in the game would help to fix most of the problems that were in Religious Flame War Mafia.

I...might be considering overhauling Religious Mafia, if I have time to do so.

[Dariush]

I...might be considering overhauling Religious Mafia, if I have time to do so.

Haha, I remember how you overhauled Cybrid. No thanks.

[Servant Corps]

Playing isn't mandatory.

[Lenglon]

working on an idea of my own, the key gimmick is that one invulnerable (from everything) player has total control of the day (only their vote counts, and day ends when they vote, not based on time), their win condition is to identify the one player that is their ally from all the rest, and make that player the last player standing. they have no faction chat, and don't know who their ally is. each of the other factions want one of their players to be the last one standing instead. as a rule of thumb, the larger the faction, the weaker the power roles they'd have. game ends one way or another when there's only one player left standing (the invuln player doesn't count, and signups for the invuln role would be separated from the normal player signups, similar to how ICs are handled in BM games.) no roleflips.

[Nerjin]

working on an idea of my own, the key gimmick is that one invulnerable (from everything) player has total control of the day (only their vote counts, and day ends when they vote, not based on time), their win condition is to identify the one player that is their ally from all the rest, and make that player the last player standing. they have no faction chat, and don't know who their ally is. each of the other factions want one of their players to be the last one standing instead. as a rule of thumb, the larger the faction, the weaker the power roles they'd have. game ends one way or another when there's only one player left standing (the invuln player doesn't count, and signups for the invuln role would be separated from the normal player signups, similar to how ICs are handled in BM games.) no roleflips.

So: 1 Invulnerable player who wins when they have eliminated everyone but their ally. they are the only player to vote, it's obvious who the invuln player is so that there is no reason to false-claim. Looking bad so far I'm afraid.

It seems like a very exploitable set-up if I understand it properly. How does one player scum-hunt when EVERYONE says the same thing "I'm on your team dude!". Could you  go into more detail about the way this would work. Some examples of the various factions?

[lordnincompoop]

working on an idea of my own, the key gimmick is that one invulnerable (from everything) player has total control of the day (only their vote counts, and day ends when they vote, not based on time), their win condition is to identify the one player that is their ally from all the rest, and make that player the last player standing. they have no faction chat, and don't know who their ally is. each of the other factions want one of their players to be the last one standing instead. as a rule of thumb, the larger the faction, the weaker the power roles they'd have. game ends one way or another when there's only one player left standing (the invuln player doesn't count, and signups for the invuln role would be separated from the normal player signups, similar to how ICs are handled in BM games.) no roleflips.

Kingmaker: Aerys II Targaryen Edition?

[Griffionday]

May as well through my idea up for speculation:

The central mechanic is that everyone has second lives and the day cycle is divided into three phases instead of two.

During the morning phase everyone votes to take away the extra life of one player and give it to another player.  The players with the most vote in either category will be selected (as opposed to the most voted pairing).  If a player requests replacement, both of their bodies are also up for voting, similarly with players who have been absent for over 72 hours.  This phase lasts 24 hours without extension.

During this phase out of town guests (people in the replacement queue) may post once offering their candidacy for becoming a part of the town, town may then vote them in by giving them a body to inhabit.  If they are taking the primary body of another player they are counted as replacing that player and get their role and win-con.  If they only receive a secondary body they are randomly assigned a win-con with weighted chances based on the number of each side that voted for them receiving the body (so if 3 town and 1 mafia voted for them, they would have a 75% chance of being town and 25% chance of being scum).

During the day phase business is as normal: The player voted to be lynched only loses one life.  This phase would last 48 hours

The night phase is also fairly normal, players send in their actions etc.  This phase lasts 24 hours.

For the basic version the power-roles I have in mind are:

Spoiler: Mafia (click to show/hide)

Saboteur- During the night the saboteur may destroy one extra body a player has.

Spoiler: Town (click to show/hide)

Tracker- Standard version
Doctor- Standard version
Watchman- During the night you may chose to protect a players extra life, if any party would have messed with the body you scare them off

Additional power roles I want to add but aren't part of the basic game:

Spoiler: 3rd party (click to show/hide)

Body Thief- The thief starts with no extra lives, during the night he may steal an additional life from some player.  He wins and is removed from the game if he has three or more extra lives.

Spoiler: Town (click to show/hide)

Body Hacker- During the night he may select any secondary body to enhance with two of the following:
    Telepathy - Gives access to a chat room shared across everyone who has this ability
    Empathy - Gives the ability to determine the truth of a statement once per day
    Charisma - Gives two additional votes to the player
    Internal Battery - Protects the body against saboteurs
    Internal Explosives - Grants the ability of a suicidal paranoid gun owner

Aesthetically I'm thinking this works within a cyberpunk theme.

Thoughts?