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[Heliman]

What trolls? Bay12 only has Misinformed Individuals.

[Bdthemag]

Haha, go look at the Notable Games Archive =)

Shit, whenever I have a good idea its already taken...

[webadict]

Haha, go look at the Notable Games Archive =)

Shit, whenever I have a good idea its already taken...

We are one step ahead of everyone.

[Leafsnail]

Bay 12 Mafia wasn't actually trolls vs normal users, though.  The alignments were decided randomly.

...Ok, I admit that Cobrarsenic was force-mafia'd.  But other than that they were random.

We did have Religious Flame War Mafia which was sort of like that though.  Weird because most of the mafia leaders were able to claim without fear of retribution.

[Mr.Person]

Haha, go look at the Notable Games Archive =)

Shit, whenever I have a good idea its already taken...

We are one step ahead of everyone.

All according to plan.

[Toaster]

BYOR 5 had trolls.

[breadbocks]

It did.

SOLLUX!!!! *Shakes fist* That screw it all up so badly.

So, new idea: Freze mafia. Once the vote is down, it can't be changed.

[Ottofar]

Been done.

Or maybe not, but at least said.

[RedWarrior0]

Been done or implemented.

Also, if anyone wants to figure out how to run A Mafia In a State of Quantum Uncertainty (Quantum Mafia) or run a successful (i.e. not broken) One-lynch, I can tell you what NOT to do on those. But I really would like to see a Quantum Mafia go through.

[Leafsnail]

I think I've sortof understood how quantum mafia works since then.  It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how playable it is as an actual game.

...And it needs to be werewolf.  With at most 1 PR, maybe.

[webadict]

I think I've sortof understood how quantum mafia works since then.  It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how playable it is as an actual game.

...And it needs to be werewolf.  With at most 1 PR, maybe.

Anybody who says they understand Quantum Mafia is lying.

[RedWarrior0]

I think I've sortof understood how quantum mafia works since then.  It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how playable it is as an actual game.

...And it needs to be werewolf.  With at most 1 PR, maybe.

Anybody who says they understand Quantum Mafia is lying.

Maybe.

[Leafsnail]

No.  I think I do.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

At the start, anyone can potentially be any role.

Every day, the players vote for someone to lynch.  On the first day, the lynched person is definitely dead, therefore they die.  When they die, a role is randomly selected from all of the possible roles - this becomes what they were.  Since that role is now dead, noone else can have that role.

In the nights, everyone submits an action for every possible PR in the game.

From then on, it's complicated, but basically... if someone would have died in EVERY possible scenario, then they die and roleflip a random role they could still potentially have.  When they do so, all of their actions with this role are applied retroactively, and noone else can have that role anymore.

There'd be lots of subrules as well.  So, for instance, someone who dies from an Alpha Werewolf kill can't be a Beta Werewolf.

Hmm... maybe I'll run a little simulation of a game as it works according to my understanding.

[RedWarrior0]

Yeah, that's basically how I interpreted it.

One thing though, is that there should be a Alpha/Beta werewolf pair: neither knows about the other, and the Beta only gets a kill if the Alpha is dead.

Alternatively, Quantum scumteams: two possible partners for each player, with hypothetical talking between them. They decide an action for the two partnerships. For example: "If I'm partnered with Player X, he does the kill on Player Y and I roleblock player Z, but with Player Y, I kill player X and Player Y blocks player Z." Each partnership, in my mind would have one player defined as a roleblocker, or would use "The blocker blocks G and the other guy kills Q"

Of course, votes would not be retconned, since up to the lynching of a player, he/she is certainly alive. And retconning votes for N1 deaths, etc. goes into bastard territory.

[webadict]

Yeah, that's basically how I interpreted it.

One thing though, is that there should be a Alpha/Beta werewolf pair: neither knows about the other, and the Beta only gets a kill if the Alpha is dead.

Alternatively, Quantum scumteams: two possible partners for each player, with hypothetical talking between them. They decide an action for the two partnerships. For example: "If I'm partnered with Player X, he does the kill on Player Y and I roleblock player Z, but with Player Y, I kill player X and Player Y blocks player Z." Each partnership, in my mind would have one player defined as a roleblocker, or would use "The blocker blocks G and the other guy kills Q"

Of course, votes would not be retconned, since up to the lynching of a player, he/she is certainly alive. And retconning votes for N1 deaths, etc. goes into bastard territory.

I'm just going to point out the obvious flaw of the whole game in that it is basically random. You might as well flip a coin to see who wins. There would be no point in scumtells since EVERYONE WOULD (SORT OF) BE SCUM.

No, really, there is no strategy to winning. None.