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[Leafsnail]

Although it should be noted that Jungle Republic sometimes has people claiming to be scum, due to the fact that there are situations where the town has to lynch one particular type of scum.

[Persus13]

Leafsnail, your setup seems a lot like Supernatural only with two scumteams, and I think I'd love to play it.

So I was think off some sort of Mafia game based on the card game Bang! In the game there are four types of roles, all except the sheriff are hidden at the start of the game and each have different wincons.
Sheriff: Known from the start, has an extra life. Wants to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Deputies: Goal is to keep the Sheriff alive. Want to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Outlaws: Want to eliminate the Sheriff.
Rengade: A Survivor. This means he must kill the sheriff last otherwise the Outlaws win.

Does anyone know how to make this balanced and playable?

[webadict]

Leafsnail, your setup seems a lot like Supernatural only with two scumteams, and I think I'd love to play it.

So I was think off some sort of Mafia game based on the card game Bang! In the game there are four types of roles, all except the sheriff are hidden at the start of the game and each have different wincons.
Sheriff: Known from the start, has an extra life. Wants to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Deputies: Goal is to keep the Sheriff alive. Want to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Outlaws: Want to eliminate the Sheriff.
Rengade: A Survivor. This means he must kill the sheriff last otherwise the Outlaws win.

Does anyone know how to make this balanced and playable?

Remove the Renegade or change his wincon. His wincon is basically the wincon of the Outlaws, except it looks like he can't win with the Outlaws, so he has to kill them too. So, he isn't a survivor at all. He's more of a serial killer. However, he's worse than one, since he can't kill who he wants.

Do the Deputies have any abilities? Something like a protect or inspect? Because otherwise the Sheriff dies on N2 with an Outlaw win. Knowing what those might be would help balance the game.

[Persus13]

Leafsnail, your setup seems a lot like Supernatural only with two scumteams, and I think I'd love to play it.

So I was think off some sort of Mafia game based on the card game Bang! In the game there are four types of roles, all except the sheriff are hidden at the start of the game and each have different wincons.
Sheriff: Known from the start, has an extra life. Wants to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Deputies: Goal is to keep the Sheriff alive. Want to kill the Outlaws and the Renegade.
Outlaws: Want to eliminate the Sheriff.
Rengade: A Survivor. This means he must kill the sheriff last otherwise the Outlaws win.

Does anyone know how to make this balanced and playable?

Remove the Renegade or change his wincon. His wincon is basically the wincon of the Outlaws, except it looks like he can't win with the Outlaws, so he has to kill them too. So, he isn't a survivor at all. He's more of a serial killer. However, he's worse than one, since he can't kill who he wants.

Do the Deputies have any abilities? Something like a protect or inspect? Because otherwise the Sheriff dies on N2 with an Outlaw win. Knowing what those might be would help balance the game.

Bang is a card game, so people have cards they use to shoot people, cause their turn to end, etc. so that's where people's abilities come from. Secondly, everyone usually starts with 4 lifepoints and the sheriff has 5. However, thanks for the input, those are issues I should focus on.

[Mephansteras]

I did a Bang variant called Prince's Guard. It was interesting, but had a lot of issues as a forum game. Worth reading if you're trying to make a game off of Bang, though.

[Persus13]

I did a Bang variant called Prince's Guard. It was interesting, but had a lot of issues as a forum game. Worth reading if you're trying to make a game off of Bang, though.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[Leafsnail]

Well it's not really like Supernatural, Supernatural is a closed setup while JR is open.

[Persus13]

Well it's not really like Supernatural, Supernatural is a closed setup while JR is open.

What's the difference? (i'm still a newb when it comes to Mafia)

[Leafsnail]

Open - the players already know every role that's in the game and how many of each there are.  Example: Vengeful Mafia, Beginner's Sprint.
Semi-open - the players know what roles are possible, but not necessarily how many of each there are.  Examples: Paranormal Mafia, Beginner's Mafia.
Closed - the players do not know what roles will be in the game - there can be totally novel and strange roles present that the mod hides.  Examples: Every Toon Mafia, BYOR mafias.

I guess Supernatural isn't quite closed because you are given hints about what town roles there are, but it's not even semi-open as the scum abilities are completely obscured.

[Persus13]

Open - the players already know every role that's in the game and how many of each there are.  Example: Vengeful Mafia, Beginner's Sprint.
Semi-open - the players know what roles are possible, but not necessarily how many of each there are.  Examples: Paranormal Mafia, Beginner's Mafia.
Closed - the players do not know what roles will be in the game - there can be totally novel and strange roles present that the mod hides.  Examples: Every Toon Mafia, BYOR mafias.

I guess Supernatural isn't quite closed because you are given hints about what town roles there are, but it's not even semi-open as the scum abilities are completely obscured.

Ah okay, thanks. I meant it sounded like Supernatural in the fact that there were seers and werewolves then style of game. I do think the game sounds cool. But would mafia have any abilities like some sort of roleblocking ability?

[notquitethere]

Extensions are so anti-game. They don't make the game more fun and they regularly induce fatigue. Proposition: abolish them.

[birdy51]

Nay.

Extensions, while wearisome, are necessary. We all have times where we simply cannot play due to circumstances beyond our control.

With that consideration made however, I would be alright seeing extensions given out less frequently, or only in situations where they are deemed necessary by the mod.

E.x. A recent disaster or event forces Player 1 away from the computer. Player 1 informs the Mod about this. The Mod extends the game for the sake of Player 1.

[notquitethere]

Yeah something like that would at least be an improvement: turning extensions from an inevitable part of a game Day into something that has to be specially requested. Alternatively, each player could be given the ability to extend the game by 24 hours once, encouraging players to save their extend for when they really need it.

[webadict]

That's actually not a bad idea.

[Leafsnail]

Plurality lynches and endless extensions are a bad system yeah.