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[Halmie]

oops. Didn't see the unvote.

EDIT: I recract the FoS

Not sure on the vote. What makes you suspicous of Rooster?

[Pandarsenic]

which is why im not voting for anyone at this point, hoping that something will come to light, yo

Quit being passive. Attack.

[dakarian]

GlyphGryph[2]: Halmie, Diakron
RedWarrior0[2]: Dirtybirdy, GlyphGryph,
Rooster[1]: Nirur Torir
theevilmonk[1]: Rooster

Not Voting: RedWarrior0, RandomNumberGenerator, theevilmonk
 
Deadline: Wednesday, 11am EST

1 Extension request heard.  2 more are required to extend to another day.

Note 1: When the day ends in a tie, no one is lynched.

[dakarian]

A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).


Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote.  The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them.  The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you. 

Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text.  Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell.  Don't ignore it: make them your target.  Attack them.  Tell them what bothers you about them.  Push them, harass them.  Tell them how scummy they are.  Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:

Litia: "You bother me.  Vote Dakarian!"

Dak: Meh.  Why?

Litia: "Because you bother me.  Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"

Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."

Litia: "You're voting for Vector.  why?"

Dak: "He looked scummy.."

Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell!  "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"

Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."

Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum?  Being defensive?  You also didn't answer my question!"


Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'.  She has no hard evidence, nothing real.  The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic.  If you did it right, they WILL town or scum.  WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self.  From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth.  If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1. 

If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:


Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence.  Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives.  Pull more from them.  DON'T LET GO!  Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY!  Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are. 

If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time.  If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4

Step 4: Final step.  It's time to convince the town.  Show what you have.  Push the target so they show more scumminess.  Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true.  You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched.  If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:

1.  The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.



That's how a basic scumhunt is done.  One last note on doubt:

Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show.  If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT.  If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..."  you SAY "You scum!  Stop being passive!!!"  If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague." 

Doubt is something for yourself.  When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up.  If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure.  This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here.  Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack. 

So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it.  If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know.  If you wonder, accuse as if you know it.  If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer.  Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.


And that's scumhunting in a nutshell.  Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly.  Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then).  If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension. 

If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1.  Get to random voting.

Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past.  Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.

It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.

[Nirur Torir]

I've been doing it wrong, and need more time. I vote for an extension. Now to figure out who to poke.

Unvote.

[dakarian]

2 extensions heard.

A partial extension is offered. 

Deadline: Wednesday midnight, EST

Further requests to extend will be accepted if requested.

[Rooster]

Extension plx!

The evil monk: I'm no way taking my vote off of you.
You seem scummy, how can we know you're not doing the login trick?
Playing mafia isn't something you can lurk off to and get away with random voting.
You're also passive, and you avoid slip ups. If you're town then there's nothing to fear.
You wanted accusation? Here you are.
Why do you think I'm scummy? I at least try to do my best

[RandomNumberGenerator]

theevilmonk, why are you being so passive?

[GlyphGryph]

Okay, with the extension, I actually have time to go back to what I was doing.

UNVOTE. Vote DIAKRON

OKay, I'm going back through the posts and putting something together - maybe you can justify the tells you've been sending out.

First off, a look at your history - there was an initial accusation of RNG, who you then went on to say would be your preferred scumbuddy because you knew him. You also implied that if you hadn't asked it of him, you would have asked it of RedWarrior. Did you know RedWarrior already as well? Have you played Mafia games with them before?

Then you comment that you have played mafia before, and that you are bad at it, followed immediately by saying that being bad at mafia is something you are trying to change. This was the first sentence that really caught my eye - you didn't say being a sucky mafia was something you were going to try to change in the future, you said it was something you were trying to change right now. Maybe just a slip of the tongue, completely innocent - if taken alone. But definitely suspicious.

You mention then you wanted to be "hyper-aggresive" - I've gone over a few previous games these last two days, and it seems like Scum being "super-aggresive" is the thing to do right now. Sure, its reasonable to attack people and push them - but I was already being pressured by Halmie before you jumped on me as well, for the same reasons other people brought up. Attacking the easy target early on in the game, something other people are already doing, and doing it, in your own words, in a "hyper-aggressive" manner, a scum-tell on the rise?

You next claim lurking is a terrible reason to lynch someone, we aren't trying to have a chat, etc. against someone who was clearly just trying to get a feel for someone who'd mostly been silent. They were looking for someone to pressure - and you didn't seem to like that. It seemed very defensive, and the only reason I could see for the comment would be if one of those semi-lurkers was your scumbuddy.

And then, you don't continue to ask questions of your own - you IMMEDIATELY claim you're going to push for a lynch! When there are still days left to go! You then proceed to get extremely defensive the moment I start pressuring you, after proclaiming this is something town are supposed to do.

am not lurking, i am an extremely busy Adult, please ask anyone, THIS is me being very active.

You are reacting JUST like i thought you would as a newbie scum, yet ANOTHER OMGUS with a false reasoning attached, so i will answer both your questions and attempt my very first WoT.

if i was scum then i would least desire YOU to be my scumbuddy, you have drawn massive attention, you have OMGUS after mutliple warning that this is a Scumtell (esp. against someone who is attacking you, during the RVS this is overlooked but i am NOT random voting you), the next most would be Redwarrior0 see my post to RNG about this.

This is where I noticed that not only are you being defensive, but you are still trying to distance yourself from RedWarrior0. You've mentioned him twice already, both times as an unnecessary aside. He seemed like a bit of a lurker, and you came out against pressuring lurkers. What exactly is your relationship with him? Because its looking officially suspicious for both of you right now.

Anyways, you then go on to say I am scum and a liar because I'm looking ahead - but isn't town supposed to be looking ahead and planning as well? Or are we just supposed to believe what you tell us?

One final thing - you were asked to describe likely mafia or town tactics. You then state its pointless to post "our" tactics. So why didn't you describe possible mafia tactics? Your dealing with a town of relatively new people, and mafia who are probably already tacticating - why would you not point out their possible moves to the other townies? I could understand you not wanting to mention townie tactics if you were a townie, but instead you shrugged off the question completely.

So, care to defend yourself?

[Rooster]

12 hours to deadline and the game only starts to get rollin

[dakarian]

1. That's NOT unusual.  In fact, compared to other games, that's still doing well.  Just try to keep up some endurance since the first part of the day wore out a good few people.

2. Extensions can be used as necessary.

[theevilmonk]

rng: simply because i have no idea what im doing, this is my first game and i knew little to nothing when i joined it.

Rooster, the way i see it from your posts. reason one, because you said noone else seems completly honest here earlier, and i take that as an insult. second, you keep trying to find out what everyone thinks about GG and trying to get him off for it, leading me to beleive that you and him might be scumbuddies.. scummy scummy scumbuddies. But regardless

[Vector]

A sidenote on insults.

Dudes, this is a Mafia game.  Some players tend to be extremely insulting in the course of such.  If you get all emotionally worked up about it, the scum will use you.  Stay calm.  Don't get overexcited.

[Rooster]

The evil monk: I do that because he WIFOM'ed and I have experience with such. Last time (BM4) Martyr syndrome did that and town wasted a lynch. Way to go town.

But hah! You act irrationally (a scumtell!) one!
Two! You decide I'm scummy after I vote you, then I suspect you of scumminess then you defend yourself with saying I'm scum. That's kinda defensive and survivalish isn't it? (scumtell kinda)

Three! I actually was seeking reason to think that GG is scum, but I simply don't think he is, you accuse me of buddying. It would be otherwise fine, but here your reasoning is flawed. If I would be mafia then it would be easier for me to get him lynched. Didn't you hear that using flawed logic is a scumtell? Unless you have something else to prove your innocence

[Rooster]

It would be otherwise fine, but here now your reasoning is flawed.