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[Neruz]

Eduren does seem to have overreacted pretty seriously. His posts hadn't really registered with me when i scanned the thread.

I'll have to go back over it with a fine toofed comb, but for now Eduren gets my vote.

[Mephansteras]

Whoah, I didn't know this had actually started. I just looked at the title and assumed we were still waiting. Anyway, Meph is putting out a few questions, which as I have seen in previous mafias e.g. B12 mafia, Meph asking questions is his scum tell.
I also find this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unvote.

Hmm...I'm going to vote Neruz. I find your logic a bit off.

A bit strange, as he dosen't explain in which post or how his logic is off. He unvoted later and voted Shadow for having very little words in his posts, which seemed to me an obvious role restriction. He then went back to 'pressuring Neruz', with little explanation. He also hasn't really explained himself well, and hasn't posted as much as other people have.

Well, you're right, that vote didn't have any explanation behind it. I was busy at work and didn't have time for much. However, I did explain myself more later after I switched back from shadow after he explained himself. Neruz was bouncing all over the place with little or strange reasons for the votes. Hence my comment that his logic was suspect. It's also why I've been pressuring him.

[Cheeetar]

Eduren does seem to have overreacted pretty seriously. His posts hadn't really registered with me when i scanned the thread.

I'll have to go back over it with a fine toofed comb, but for now Eduren gets my vote.

Eduren overreacted? Where?

[webadict]

No, but I'm still a little confused here.

Who are you voting for and why?

Also, what do you think about Mephansteras?

I'm voting for Eduren.  A quick prod has proven that he's heavy into Self Preservation.  When I push you, you get bloodthirsty, though your method is rather meh.  When I pushed him, even when he had a good reason, he backed down and said 'I was joking'. 

Toonyman confirmed that, although Eduren can seem scummy when he's not, trying to save his own self is NOT a part of it.  Thus his actions can't be acused by meta or traditional means.

Thus why I'm getting serious about him. 


As for Meph...I noticed he's getting pushed hard.  I'll have to do an analysis on him.

Thus why I like the way that RVS went.  We've barely left it and I can already do an analysis on players .

Oh eduren is like that a lot. Which is funny because that's exactly what meta means. You seem to forget that meta is for both scum AND town tells.

My problem with you is that you're not how you normally are, and you push me off by saying that just because you're not how you are doesn't mean you're scum. Sure, that could be true, but I really doubt it. Null tell this and null tell that. You of all people know that finding scum isn't all about tells. There's a certain amount of lying that goes on as scum, and that's what you are.

YOU.

ARE.

A.

LIAR.

I'm fairly certain that your pants would be on fire. You give off scumtells just like everyone else, but oh no, those can be explained and these can be explained. So, why not give people something? Or are you just going to subtlely hint at my scumminess as you've done so far. Go for weaklings and then once you've injected enough larvae into a stronger one they can all hatch and consume him from the inside. Nah, we're going to play this in a way that doesn't involve you doing that.

K, Patches?

That's why I'm voting you. If you're town, which is incredibly unlikely, you're simply sowing seeds of distrust throughout the entire town. If you're scum, you're being very obvious.

To me. I truly haven't gleaned how the others find scum without power roles.

Whoah, I didn't know this had actually started. I just looked at the title and assumed we were still waiting. Anyway, Meph is putting out a few questions, which as I have seen in previous mafias e.g. B12 mafia, Meph asking questions is his scum tell.
I also find this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unvote.

Hmm...I'm going to vote Neruz. I find your logic a bit off.

A bit strange, as he dosen't explain in which post or how his logic is off. He unvoted later and voted Shadow for having very little words in his posts, which seemed to me an obvious role restriction. He then went back to 'pressuring Neruz', with little explanation. He also hasn't really explained himself well, and hasn't posted as much as other people have.

Well, you're right, that vote didn't have any explanation behind it. I was busy at work and didn't have time for much. However, I did explain myself more later after I switched back from shadow after he explained himself. Neruz was bouncing all over the place with little or strange reasons for the votes. Hence my comment that his logic was suspect. It's also why I've been pressuring him.

You seemed busy. I'll push you later for info.

[Vector]

Grargh.  Sorry for the lack of posts.  I'm trying to comb through this mess, but I'm finding it really overwhelming... so it'll take a bit to formulate anything.

I'll be back.

[SHAD0Wdump]

To me. I truly haven't gleaned how the others find scum without power roles.

High and Mighty.

[webadict]

To me. I truly haven't gleaned how the others find scum without power roles.

High and Mighty.

Wouldn't have to be if you did something, Mister Three Words.

Post something more than three words and we'll talk.

[dakarian]

@Web

I don't know Eduren's meta.  Meanwhile, Toony disagrees: he says that self preservation ISN'T part of his meta.  That's why I'm on him.  I'll take your idea that he DOES act like this normally into consideration, but I want to hear more from him before I leave him alone. 



I pushed you off because you didn't explain yourself, just cried out "SCUMMY!"  I started actually talking to you once you brought up actual arguments. 

Where did you get me saying that I don't have scumtells?  I have reasons for what I do because..well.. I DO HAVE REASONS.  When you ask or accuse me about them I will give those reasons.  If they seem to fit ever so nicely into a package then there you go.  Hate me for it or love me for it, but that's what I do.

You claim I'm lying... on what?  That I'm not acting like myself?  That you don't believe my arguments? 


I suspect you.  Yes, I DO suspect you.  As such I'll push you.  I don't have a second vote so a FOS will do: since it's brought this result I'm glad I left it like that, since Eduren needs a LOT more pressure than you do.  Do I want you dead?  No, not yet.  I make THAT time very very clear and you aren't there yet.  Your emotions provide a very nice shield so it's hard to crack you, whether you are town or scum.  I want to say you cracked but if so you won't be readable till later.  For now, I'll need to be content where you are.

As it is, I can tell you didn't really analyze me very well.  How?  You didn't know who I was voting for, even though the posts just before our little argument was all about Eduren and my vote hasn't wavered from him for a while.  It's noteworthy, that's for sure. 


You want to disrupt me.  Sorry, I won't be disrupted.  Tried it, saw a town die by it.  I'll stick to what I do, thank you very much. 

Spoiler: As for Meph, Just did an anyl: (click to show/hide)

Sidenote: I'm on a ROLL.  For the past few posts I've actually written his name right !

Randomvote: Vista 

V Nurez: poor logic

V Shadow: Being evasive (presure vote)

Believes Shadow's under post restriction, unvotes,  V Nurez

Explains reasoning for actions on Shadow (waiting until post restriction ends before pressuring)

Pressure on Nurez

Everything else has been either pressure on Nurez or explaining why he's pressuring Nurez

I don't get the attacks on him, except for the first vote and his reasons for it.  His actions towards Shadow seem solid.  His push on Nurez looks like a regular scumhunt.  If he's scum, he's going to need a good deal more pressure if you want something to actually go off of.  For now his nose is cleaner than most.

[dakarian]

To me. I truly haven't gleaned how the others find scum without power roles.

High and Mighty.

Wouldn't have to be if you did something, Mister Three Words.

Post something more than three words and we'll talk.

He's claiming a post restriction.  He can't post more than 3 words.

[Rashilul]

Hoo boy.

So much to read but I think I'll start here:

Additionally, more seriously, tell me (enumerate) your favored scumbuddies and why. Limit to within game so no picking Pandarsenic.

I haven't really played mafia on B12. Mostly on IRC or with my friends or on other forums. Searching my name will bring up a Mafiascum game, which is the first time I played and which I am thoroughly embarrassed about.

So look around, use what you know and can observe, and try to answer the question, please.

Well, the three other scum, Dakarian, Sir Bayer (Who I tried to get to post), and Zai, probably wouldn't appreciate me telling you that.[/joke]

But seriously, those are the ones I'm suspicious of. Not really Zai though, he's just kind of a random place holder.

My ideal scum team...I have no idea, gotta read some other B12 mafia games first.

[Neruz]

Wait, dakarian, what do you mean by 'poor logic'?

[webadict]

To me. I truly haven't gleaned how the others find scum without power roles.

High and Mighty.

Wouldn't have to be if you did something, Mister Three Words.

Post something more than three words and we'll talk.

He's claiming a post restriction.  He can't post more than 3 words.

Then he can get modkilled. What do I care? Even if he's Town, he's not helpful, so he can speak more than three words or he can leave.

@Web

I don't know Eduren's meta.  Meanwhile, Toony disagrees: he says that self preservation ISN'T part of his meta.  That's why I'm on him.  I'll take your idea that he DOES act like this normally into consideration, but I want to hear more from him before I leave him alone. 



I pushed you off because you didn't explain yourself, just cried out "SCUMMY!"  I started actually talking to you once you brought up actual arguments. 

Where did you get me saying that I don't have scumtells?  I have reasons for what I do because..well.. I DO HAVE REASONS.  When you ask or accuse me about them I will give those reasons.  If they seem to fit ever so nicely into a package then there you go.  Hate me for it or love me for it, but that's what I do.

You claim I'm lying... on what?  That I'm not acting like myself?  That you don't believe my arguments? 


I suspect you.  Yes, I DO suspect you.  As such I'll push you.  I don't have a second vote so a FOS will do: since it's brought this result I'm glad I left it like that, since Eduren needs a LOT more pressure than you do.  Do I want you dead?  No, not yet.  I make THAT time very very clear and you aren't there yet.  Your emotions provide a very nice shield so it's hard to crack you, whether you are town or scum.  I want to say you cracked but if so you won't be readable till later.  For now, I'll need to be content where you are.

As it is, I can tell you didn't really analyze me very well.  How?  You didn't know who I was voting for, even though the posts just before our little argument was all about Eduren and my vote hasn't wavered from him for a while.  It's noteworthy, that's for sure. 


You want to disrupt me.  Sorry, I won't be disrupted.  Tried it, saw a town die by it.  I'll stick to what I do, thank you very much. 

Spoiler: As for Meph, Just did an anyl: (click to show/hide)

Sidenote: I'm on a ROLL.  For the past few posts I've actually written his name right !

Randomvote: Vista 

V Nurez: poor logic

V Shadow: Being evasive (presure vote)

Believes Shadow's under post restriction, unvotes,  V Nurez

Explains reasoning for actions on Shadow (waiting until post restriction ends before pressuring)

Pressure on Nurez

Everything else has been either pressure on Nurez or explaining why he's pressuring Nurez

I don't get the attacks on him, except for the first vote and his reasons for it.  His actions towards Shadow seem solid.  His push on Nurez looks like a regular scumhunt.  If he's scum, he's going to need a good deal more pressure if you want something to actually go off of.  For now his nose is cleaner than most.

It's funny. You're trying to reply to me in a way that I'll assume you're town.

You're posting for my approval and not to actually provide content. That "analysis" you did was subpar for you. I mean come on. I've seen you do big pages on person's post. Not that I really care, but you basically SAID what he did and didn't explain what he did.

And that whole vote thing? Is THAT what you're really going to bring up to make me look suspicious? I mean, you're STILL trying to make me look suspicious! Why don't you just put a big list or something, instead of doing it steadily, like a real accuser.

Hoo boy.

So much to read but I think I'll start here:

Additionally, more seriously, tell me (enumerate) your favored scumbuddies and why. Limit to within game so no picking Pandarsenic.

I haven't really played mafia on B12. Mostly on IRC or with my friends or on other forums. Searching my name will bring up a Mafiascum game, which is the first time I played and which I am thoroughly embarrassed about.

So look around, use what you know and can observe, and try to answer the question, please.

Well, the three other scum, Dakarian, Sir Bayer (Who I tried to get to post), and Zai, probably wouldn't appreciate me telling you that.[/joke]

But seriously, those are the ones I'm suspicious of. Not really Zai though, he's just kind of a random place holder.

My ideal scum team...I have no idea, gotta read some other B12 mafia games first.

Why are they suspicious?

[SHAD0Wdump]

Then he can get modkilled. What do I care? Even if he's Town, he's not helpful, so he can speak more than three words or he can leave.

Dying won't help.

[Zai]

Unvote.

And the question was?

Also. I find it funny how everybody is going after their own individual people and ignoring everyone else.

You think either me or Web is scum. That's a very, very scummy thing to say, and it's even worse that you didn't explain why you think that. So please, tell us.

1) Didn't say that either you or Web was scum, I said at least one of you (meaning both of you could be) was scum. 2) Not much reason behind it, actually. Can't recall why I said that. Been rather hyper today, if you couldn't tell. No longer suspicious of you at all though, M.P.

I now think at least one of Web and Meph is scum. Leaning more heavily on Web right now.

[PPE:] Yeah, Web's definitely scum.

[webadict]

Unvote.

And the question was?

Also. I find it funny how everybody is going after their own individual people and ignoring everyone else.

You think either me or Web is scum. That's a very, very scummy thing to say, and it's even worse that you didn't explain why you think that. So please, tell us.

1) Didn't say that either you or Web was scum, I said at least one of you (meaning both of you could be) was scum. 2) Not much reason behind it, actually. Can't recall why I said that. Been rather hyper today, if you couldn't tell. No longer suspicious of you at all though, M.P.

I now think at least one of Web and Meph is scum. Leaning more heavily on Web right now.

[PPE:] Yeah, Web's definitely scum.

Let's hear a reasoning, other than you feel like it, moron. All you're saying is that I'm scummy, and you're only applying it to a logic statement with no premises. Therefore, your statement is neither sound nor valid.

Wow, let's see someone with real intelligence accuse me this time.