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[Pandarsenic]

First: Look at my sig. Look what it says under the penguin.
[SCUM IS ALWAYS SCUM] is a tribute to NSBM1 with Toony.
Under the penguin is "Legendary Scum Gunslinger."

Also quit being a tool and find real scum.

[SirBayer]

I'll quit being a tool when you quit being scum.

[SirBayer]

I almost forgot that I need to make a counter-argument!

I've been thinking about it, and I've come to the conclusion that meta-gaming is USELESS. More than useless, it's a wonderful defense for scum, while it's definitely practically useless for town. When playing someone as good as you, I have to recognize that you can recognize what you do when scum, then do the opposite as scum.

So when you defend your statement back then by saying you're always that way, that's just a convenient defense, innit? Think about Webadict here. He does the same thing. You could be doing it here too. Don't divert me, I'm on to something here. I know it.

[Pandarsenic]

Translation: "Pandarsenic is too skilled to be town."

I wish I was scum, then I could use you as an easy lynch or a town-lynching slave.

[SirBayer]

That is not what I said at all, scumbucket. Stop twisting my words. Again, scum-tactics.

[Pandarsenic]

No, see, you're using the Too Townie fallacy, dismissing the validity of Meta which is a terrible idea (I think what pushed me into realizing how good Webby is was when he meta'd Org in Paranormal by recognizing a simple, consistent towntell Org lacked), and you're blowing something I said in RVS out of proportion as an excuse to attack.

1) learn to scumhunt
2) I feel like you're scum but I'm pretty sure it's just because you're such a total failure at scumhunting.

[SirBayer]

I see, you want more evidence.

Aaaaand there is none! Hmph. I'm still deeply suspicious.

Which reminds me - Webby, are you going to daycop or not? And if you're a daycop, why aren't you dead?

[SirBayer]

Also, Panda, who do you think is scum?

(Also, there's no evidence because you've been posting one-liners for... well, I didn't check the dates, but for pages.)

[Pandarsenic]

I see, you want more evidence.

Aaaaand there is none! Hmph. I'm still deeply suspicious.

THERE ISN'T MORE EVIDENCE BECAUSE I'M NOT SCUM.

Also, there are no daycops.

Also, you're still voting me.

Also, you backed off rather quickly when I soft-counteraccused. Something to say?

I'm currently thinking Leafsnail is scum; he was awfully dissatisfied with the lack of suspicion on him and I think he wants to be "Dismissed as town" early.

[SirBayer]

Yeah yeah yeah.

Then Webby was joking.

Yes, I'm voting you. Not like it makes a difference, now does it?

Because I feel like an idiot, that's why. And you criticize me when I tunnel you.

Leafsnail, hmm? Again, I didn't feel a deep sense of suspicion running over things... hmm. I'll watch that.

Now what does it mean about you that you think Snail is scum...?

[Vector]

Alright, I have assembled my own little reads-list:

Spoiler: My read list (click to show/hide)

1. webadict
Webby claims daycop. Then does almost nothing. Did he daycop today? I need to find that out. Webadict is completely unhelpful. I don’t understand why. Brings up Vector again later - the person he apparently daycopped early on. He has some arguments against Vector - Vector was very good at directing. Is potentially inactive due to lack of computer.
6. Leafsnail
Leafsnail points out Org’s bandwagoning. Is trying to be helpful. Does 3rd-vote. Brings up an interesting point - claimed cop first day, never got to kill. Webby has done the same thing... is he serious? He wasn’t killed last night. I wonder if he was protected. I don’t feel like Leaf is scum.
8. Vector
Too inactive to read. I don’t like that at all. Not very helpful. More active today, but he is chasing an inactive player. I don’t know what to get out of him. I haven’t seen anything I like or dislike, and I dislike that. Could be scum. I don’t know why, but I feel scum here. Tells us that Org is safe. What does that mean? I don’t like the WIFOM.

In summary: The only person I don't suspect on some level is Leafsnail, but that's largely a gut feeling, so I don't trust the fact that I don't suspect him. I don't have any really clear idea on who's scum. However, Pandarsenic, you've been giving us WIFOM from the beginning, however you defend yourself. That's scum-tactics.

So, I figure I might as well amend your little list, because once again you're falling into your old trap.

1. I'm happy to see you took Webadict's word on being a day cop.  There is no such role in this game.  He was joking.
2. Leafsnail "is trying to be helpful."  No, Leafsnail is either trying to be helpful, or trying to look like he's being helpful.  Don't just follow the obvious patterns.
3. Org is town.  I know town-Org, and I know scum-Org, and this is town-Org.  What that means is that based on my reads, and the fact that I have been in a hell of a lot of games with Org, and also the fact that Org is not good at hiding his tells, I am almost certain that Org is town.

That's not WIFOM unless you decide to make it into WIFOM.  It's an opinion.  If I were scum, by the way, I wouldn't go "Oh ya Org is town."  I'd say "Hey, he's bleeding scumtells.  Let's go lynch him."

I'm also pretty sure that you're town based on your responses, so that's good.  However, you're still not reading deeply enough.

Why am I telling you how to play?  Mostly because I think you could be quite good if you stopped following others' thoughts and learned how to be more paranoid.

[Vector]

That is not what I said at all, scumbucket. Stop twisting my words. Again, scum-tactics.

I find it vaguely amusing how desperate you seem.  Also the part where you're imitating how I played in BMIV (posting style, diction, etc.).

Hmm.

[webadict]

I'm... asking a question so that I can get a read not out of what you answer, but how you answer. I'm not looking for what you think, I'm looking for what you want me to think so I can think the other way. Make sense?

I want scumtells, not your bloody answers. I was under the impression this was the period of time during which we ask questions to get scumtells.

Leaf, read my posts before whining about what I'm asking you for. Unless you're scared to answer?

Alright, I have assembled my own little reads-list:

Spoiler: My read list (click to show/hide)

1. webadict
Webby claims daycop. Then does almost nothing. Did he daycop today? I need to find that out. Webadict is completely unhelpful. I don’t understand why. Brings up Vector again later - the person he apparently daycopped early on. He has some arguments against Vector - Vector was very good at directing. Is potentially inactive due to lack of computer.
2. Org
Bandwagons, but I assume he’s joking. He does vote that way, though. Org doesn’t seem to be very helpful. I don’t like that.
3. Pandarsenic
Panda OPENS by spreading WIFOM. Way to go, scum. He defends himself, but it’s bullcrap.
4. ToonyMan
Bandwagons, but I assume he’s joking. Isn’t very helpful. Don’t like that. Dead, inapplicable.
5. Eduren
Suddenly pops in with an unexplained vote. Occasionally helpful. Not getting strong scumvibes.
6. Leafsnail
Leafsnail points out Org’s bandwagoning. Is trying to be helpful. Does 3rd-vote. Brings up an interesting point - claimed cop first day, never got to kill. Webby has done the same thing... is he serious? He wasn’t killed last night. I wonder if he was protected. I don’t feel like Leaf is scum.
7. SirBayer, substituting for NUKE9.13
Totally not scum. Totally.
8. Vector
Too inactive to read. I don’t like that at all. Not very helpful. More active today, but he is chasing an inactive player. I don’t know what to get out of him. I haven’t seen anything I like or dislike, and I dislike that. Could be scum. I don’t know why, but I feel scum here. Tells us that Org is safe. What does that mean? I don’t like the WIFOM.
9. Dirtybirdy
Votes for NUKE for retarded reasons. Seems generally fairly scummy, in fact. Overreactions, accusing people of things that aren’t true. Everyone seems to think he’s scum, really. Then tries to convince people we need to kill Org immediately. He’s trying too hard - reads like scum. Wasn’t scum. Inapplicable, is dead.

In summary: The only person I don't suspect on some level is Leafsnail, but that's largely a gut feeling, so I don't trust the fact that I don't suspect him. I don't have any really clear idea on who's scum. However, Pandarsenic, you've been giving us WIFOM from the beginning, however you defend yourself. That's scum-tactics.

... Yeah... I daycopped today...

Why... ON EARTH... did you think I was telling the truth about Day Cop, unless you're scum and think it's true because you know I'm town? That would mean you're trying to justify why voting dirtybirdy yesterday as okay (Why do we care now? He's dead.) You're overreacting and doing a pretty haphazard job of defending yourself.

And ToonyMan is very helpful. Especially in small doses.

Vector? Inactive? Why are you not saying I'm inactive? I'm much more inactive to be read.

You know what is also ironic? You gave us your information after asking for others'.

[Org]

I always randomvote you because I am waiting for the moment you become scum again, just like when you were scum three times in a row... And only I could see it, for some reason.

And I only off you as scum because you're a potential threat.

Fair enough.  I've got no idea why no one else figured out I was streaming scumtells faster than a Scum-O-Matic, but that makes sense.


All right.  I went back through, and this is what I've noticed:

Org is probably town.  I know what scum-Org looks like pretty well, and this is definitely town-Org.  So let's not kill him until he starts acting more like his scummy self.
I think Webadict is also town, from my knowledge of him.  I'm not as sure on this one; it isn't so much "specific meta" as "generalized behavioral flavoring."
Not sure about Pandarsenic; can't read him.
Eduren seems like town-Eduren, though I can't quite tell yet
Leafsnail might be scum, particularly given his standard 3rd-vote scumtell.
NUKE needs a prod, or a replacement, or death.  Because if neither of the former things are happening, he's scum.

So, Eduren, I'm staying on you.  What do you think of the Leafsnail-Webadict debate?  Further, why aren't you coming out and being helpful?  You only show up when someone has voted you.  That seems remarkably suspicious, and this time around you don't have the excuse of "being confused."

FOS Vector! Buddying with me. You should never trust me. Jeez.

But I am town.

Mmkay. Before I do any judging on former actions, can I ask everyone for suspicion-lists? I don't know who to suspect, so I hope to get some better leads from these answers.

Org- I believe him to be scum due to indescribable meta.
webadict- semi deflection about his D1 suspicions, seems fairly passive
NukeSirBayer- While we can't exactly question him about D1, it is not easily forgotten
Vector-Being his normal self as far as I can tell.

Spoiler: Clarification (click to show/hide)

Leafsnail - looks vaguely scummish; 3rd vote tell. Webadict is currently on him, which may or may not mean that he's town.

Is the bold referring to Leaf? Or web?

Org: This is mostly to get you to participate. I don't expect you to defend yourself from "indescribable meta" but I do expect you to help us win if you are town.

Wtf? if you are going to do that actually have a reason, although I guess getting me to defend myself gets me back in here. How true.

[Vector]

FOS Vector! Buddying with me. You should never trust me. Jeez.

I'm not buddying with you.  Buddying with you would involve indicating that I liked/agreed with you.  Which I don't.


What, do you want to be lynched just because you always look like scum?  I'd rather try to win the game than waste it on policy-lynches, myself.