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cowofdoom78963

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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2009, 05:58:46 pm »

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anarchy can never work
its worked for millions of years...
Not really, there's always been leaders, alpha males and the like. Even gorillas aren't anarchic.
Not all life has a hierarchy.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2009, 06:01:55 pm »

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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2009, 06:03:33 pm »

Bacteria can work together, if only on a very basic chemical level.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2009, 06:06:49 pm »

If there's any animals who embrace anarchy, I haven't heard of them and that sort of shows you why the system isn't exactly admirable.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2009, 06:08:32 pm »

There's a difference between lacking a governing body and lacking the mental capacity to form a governing body...
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2009, 06:24:14 pm »

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anarchy can never work
its worked for millions of years...
Not really, there's always been leaders, alpha males and the like. Even gorillas aren't anarchic.
Not all life has a hierarchy.
Yes, but we can't expand this to mean all life. If I see bacterium form a democracy I may be inclined to discuss anarchy in other species. Otherwise, it's clearly a result of their lack of an ability to work together.
The point is: It works.

And you wouldent even exist without it.

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If there's any animals who embrace anarchy, I haven't heard of them and that sort of shows you why the system isn't exactly admirable.
Well of course humans arent often anarchists because of their social lifestyle, but there are countless animals that thrive in anarchy.

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There's a difference between lacking a governing body and lacking the mental capacity to form a governing body...
Just about any form of life has the capacity to form some sort of governing body.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2009, 06:29:29 pm »

I don't know. You aren't doing much to convince me.

What animals and how?
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2009, 06:37:20 pm »

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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2009, 07:03:15 pm »

Please people. Remain serious.
And use logically valid arguments.
Atoms are not sentient and neighter are one cell bodies.

And here we are with a discussion about something misunderstood - hierarchy in anarchism.

Anarchy is a lack of governments and units in power, not lack of groups whatsoever.
Hence there would be no sense to existance of feminism-anarchism, syndicat-anarchism, and socialism-anarchism.
(we) Anarchists instead of focusing on large groups of government rely on small groups, like a local group of people or a family. The concept of anarchy doesn't work quite like most think it does on families and (heh) animal packs. In my point of view animals have laws and certain behaviours that are similar to ours in many aspects. Gorillas wage wars and make friend, and form groups. Ants have an overmind queen that controls all. But as a human being I require freedom.
What is freedom? Is it allowing everybody to do everything? Like killing everything moving just because you can? No. We humans have common sense, and we should trust each other that we won't break loose like a maniac. Of course it happens butsuch situations can be dealt with.
With freedom comes responsibility. You are free to do whatever you please, but you accept consequences.

Animals don't have a political form of government on a large scale, so comparing them with humans isn't quite reasonable in the long run. Animals never form packs larger than they can manage. We humans do. And it can drive some insane.

If there's any animals who embrace anarchy, I haven't heard of them and that sort of shows you why the system isn't exactly admirable.

Need help? Any bird. They only form small groups and in those groups there is competition for food and females, but besides that there is not much else. Behaviour varies from species to species, but it's not that different.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2009, 07:18:54 pm »

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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 07:25:15 pm »

From your description of anarchy the only conclusion I can come to is that it is impossible. It seems to depend on people to be infallible, something which will never happen, especially not in a society with no government. These "consequences", what are they? Punishments? Who administers these punishments? Does that not make them part of some sort of judiciary? It does and as a result, you will have the building blocks of a government and will no longer have anarchy from that point on.
After reading his post, I was going to say something similar.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 07:54:24 pm »

Yes. There will always be the crazy type of people who only look out for themselves, selfish bastards. They won't think twice about violating your liberties, and some will do it just because they can. Without a governing body, that leaves it up to the citizens to stop these assholes.  Problem is, people would much prefer to just look the other way, and pretend it won't happen to them.  But it will, and eventually, those assholes will hold a sort of power, and you end up with your typical post-apocalyptic society.  Sure, somebody might step up to the plate. But will it be enough?

The thing is, we have a governing body for a reason. So we can have somebody to take action where society wouldn't.  To protect our rights, and save society from those who would destroy it, from the inside out.

Although governments can get a little carried away with the whole "power" thing, from time to time.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2009, 08:30:28 pm »

We have an example of a nation with no major government right now.

It's called Somalia, and it's a popular tourist destination for warlords and people being kidnapped.
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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2009, 09:11:43 pm »

I was going to continue my side of the argument, but it turned into one of those colossal quote posts, and I rather just avoid turning this topic into that...

So Ill just say this:
The only true anarchistic nation is one where no man has steped foot.

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Re: Adolf Hitler cake stress reliever or discussion about anarchy
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2009, 09:47:09 pm »

Which is why it's a moot point.  Nature abhors a power vacuum.
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