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smjjames

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Saltwater Croc and Alligator climate/habitat requirements?
« on: October 23, 2009, 09:28:41 am »

I know the biome requirements, but this is not what I'm asking here. A little background, in my current game. I'm in a tropical swamp with high rainfall with the swamp part bieng hot and the mountain part bieng scorching, I believe. I had some saltwater crocs from the elves which I later began breeding and a lone alligator. I don't remember how I came to be looking at the wounds, but I noticed that one of my first gen crocs had light grey wounds to the heart, spine, brain, and a few others for some reason (none of them have been in combat). I wondered about the others and so I checked. Their children had light grey wounds on just about everything, including the hatchlings. The alligator had similar wounds as the earlier ones mentioned. I checked my other critters, Grizzly Bear: fine (although you'd think it would suffer in this particular climate), Tiger: fine, Cougars: fine, Leopards: fine, Jaguar: fine, Hippos: fine, Elephants: fine, and Cheetah: fine. All of the mammals and even my dwarves didn't have a problem with the heat.

Since I didn't know whether the reptiles health would degrade further or not, I had them all butchered.

So, anybody know why the reptiles weren't faring to well here? The ones the elves brought I could understand, but not the native born ones. I looked at the raws and the reptiles had no layering (for obvious reasons) and no homeotherm tag, so that might explain why. I had seen some Saltwater Crocs and Alligators roaming around in the early days of my fort, so I know this is the correct habitat. Maybe they needed some water to cool off in?

I'm wondering if it was a mistake to slaughter them all since they breed quickly enough tomake up for the wounds which would make them not optimal for war training or guards.
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Re: Saltwater Croc and Alligator climate/habitat requirements?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 11:11:39 am »

I noticed that all of the alligators in my last fortress, Towerclouted, had the same thing - every single internal organ was light gray, indicating slight damage, while everything else was white. I can only assume it has something to do with the fact that they were underground rather than outside - they lack both LAYERING and HOMEOTHERM tags, presumably because they are cold blooded.
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Re: Saltwater Croc and Alligator climate/habitat requirements?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 11:16:39 am »

Did they degrade any further than that? The offspring of those, even the hatchlings had light grey on everything except their toes I think. I only took a quick glance at them.

I think it was a mistake to kill them all if they aren't going to degrade any further.
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Re: Saltwater Croc and Alligator climate/habitat requirements?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 11:19:35 am »

I'd say you could have probably left them to breed, since they should heal quickly enough to offset the damage. Besides, light gray damage is insignificant and can pretty much be completely ignored (only really has an effect on sparring soldiers and guards when it's to the nervous system).
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Re: Saltwater Croc and Alligator climate/habitat requirements?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 11:32:35 am »

I was mainly worried about the nervous system damage and whether that would worsen.

Still, the elves routinely bring various tropical animals and they brought an alligator the previous year or the current year of my fort, so, sooner or later they will bring some.

As for the gators and crocs spawning on the map, I haven't seen any in a very long time and I pretty much just get alot of gorillas. I know I didn't hunt them and haven't killed any myself (besides the tame ones). Caravan guards did kill a gator or two, but that shouldn't affect them spawning. Maybe they are just rarer in my region.

Edit: Checked the killed list and there is a grand total of one wild gator killed and no wild saltwater crocs killed. I did kill a whole lot of snailmen/slugmen (I think I extincted or nearly extincted these), ALOT of Gorillas (and they keep coming), a whole bunch of mountain goats and a few hoary marmots. I know the wildlife hasn't been totallly exctincted, just severely depleted as the hoary marmots pop up occasionally and I still see the gorillas from time to time. Plus theres this Giant Eagle which has been hanging around since forever. I'm not sure if its the one that was here when I started or not, but my fort is now 20 years old, so....

I actually almost expect a popup to come up saying that the Giant Eagle has died of old age.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2009, 11:39:48 am by smjjames »
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