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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia 4: End - Winter Wonderland  (Read 52963 times)

CobaltKobold

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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #330 on: November 13, 2009, 12:11:52 am »

I mean, I almost didn't get to speak. What the hell, town.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #331 on: November 13, 2009, 12:35:25 am »

Sorry. We have a strategy, but I guess you don't like it.

Early day ending if possible.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #332 on: November 13, 2009, 12:40:24 am »

We cannot accomplish anything today.
Voting to end the day early.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #333 on: November 13, 2009, 12:43:52 am »

Okay, calling it as Magmadeath and AN...you can ALWAYS accomplish something on a day.

AN's reasoning is scummy as hell, since he's using the same reasoning on myself and vector, and reaching opposite conclusions.

But, in case I die in the night, I want this in the thread first, as there's no medium
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #334 on: November 13, 2009, 12:53:19 am »

Hey, you objected.  We aren't ending the day, so you've got time to talk until the official deadline.

And yeah, I'd like to hear what AN has to say about this.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #335 on: November 13, 2009, 12:59:47 am »

Magma, Vector is a useful townie.
The only reason the Mafia would leave him alive would be if they thought they could convince town to lynch him.
Oh gods stop buddying on me Apostolic Nihilist. All of your arguments apply equally well to Vector as to me except that you decided to go "Hey let's get on this newer CK's side".

What do you have for me? "CK is scumhunting and being extremely protown. Therefore he is town."
what do you have against Vector? "Vector is scumhunting and being extremely protown. Therefore he is scum."

I have been after you all game, Apostolic Nihilist. You are digging your grave.

Object to day ending
There are a few reasons why I suspect Vector more than you.
1. Vector is acting asshole-ish. Generally this does not appeal to me (I'm quite aware it's a null tell, but maaan, it really feels like a scumtell).
2. Your suspicions were similar to mine, for the most part. I find it hard to attack someone who has similar views to myself.
Was it an error not to attack you?
Yes, it was. I was predisposed with attacking Vector because his prose just seems more scumlike to me.
All things considered, it is strange that you're still alive; as strange as it is that Vector is.

I'm not infallible and by no means are my accusations always correct. I just have a strong feeling against Vector, and it's a feeling I'm not getting off you.

That's shoddy reasoning, exceptionally so, but it's all I can offer.

My reason for attacking Vector: his posts were coming across as needlessly harassing.
He wasn't just scum hunting, he was assaulting.
As much as aggressiveness may be a scumtell, people who act so extremely seem that much more suspicious to me.
To a decent town player, aggressiveness should come somewhat naturally. It shouldn't be completely forced.
It's feeling forced, in Vector's case. He doesn't usually act like that.

...it's pathetic when town's best arguments devolve into attacking players who are being too helpful.
I think whoever dies tonight will effectively decide the scum for this game.
By all accounts, scum are going to target the player who's going to be the largest nuisance for them during Lylo.
They're going to target someone whose votes aren't easily malleable, someone who is trained on another person.

The more we talk about our suspicions about who's going to be lynched before Lylo and why, though, the more WIFOM we're inevitably letting scum stuff down our throats.
It happened in BM3. We started to posit who scum would kill; they didn't kill who I expected and thus I assumed that webadict was cleared.
The problem, of course, is that he knew precisely what I was thinking.
Posting, thinking, laying out scenarios: these are bad things to do today, as scum can read everything we post.
They can use it to their advantage tonight.
I think a silent end to today is best.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #336 on: November 13, 2009, 01:15:23 am »

What else could we do today? We could spend more time arguing, but that really wont do much good.
I suspect I am going to be killed tonight. Therefore I will say this:
I feel that CobaltKobold is most likely town.
Vector is most likely scum.

Now, its time to end this day so I am Unvoteing
And voting for
NoLynch
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Night 4 Peace be on your Sword
« Reply #337 on: November 13, 2009, 09:22:51 am »

Current Vote Count:

No Lynch[5]: tehstefan, Apostolic Nihilist, SirBayer, Vector, MagmaDeath
Apostolic Nihilist[1]: CobaltKobold


End[5]: Vector, tehstefan, SirBayer, Magmadeeath, Apostolic Nihilist

Objection[1]:Cobalt

Note: Objections don't autofail a request.  Instead, they force more reqests than normal.

i.e. with one objection, I would need the rest of the town to request to end day.


Objection overruled by the town.  The day has ended.

There was no lynch.

It is now night.  Those with night roles, send me your choices.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Night 4 Peace be on your sword
« Reply #338 on: November 13, 2009, 08:30:58 pm »


The killings started up again here, Dakarian thought once he entered the room.  ToD from the bodies showed a lapse between the first set of deaths and the second set.  Whatever caused the peace ended in this room and it ended bloody.  Red 'paint' covered the walls, the chair and desk, the bed, even the inside door.  It was a fight, a hard one, and, by the evidence, with only one winner.

The CobaltKobold's body wasn't found in the room, however.  Someone or ones threw the body outside afterwards. 

At least the folks in HQ can know that there really was a killer among the group.


CobaltKobold, Townie, has been killed in the night.

It is now Day.


Survivors
Apostolic Nihilist
tehstefan
SirBayer
MagmaDeath
Vector

Deadline: Tuesday, 17th 11am EST
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 5 Bloody Friday.
« Reply #339 on: November 13, 2009, 09:37:52 pm »

INCONCEIVABLE! *ded* p.s. you have yet to link me to deadchat.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #340 on: November 13, 2009, 09:40:34 pm »

Magma, Vector is a useful townie.
The only reason the Mafia would leave him alive would be if they thought they could convince town to lynch him.
I want to know if Vector is town or scum, but drawing attention to him is not the way to do it. If he continues being pro-town and no one is accusing him AND he isn't nightkilled, then yeah, he's definitely scum.
If town is conflicted and people are voting for him, he'll be left alive just for the WIFOM potential.
Right now you aren't helping things by spreading around WIFOM based around who the mafia targeted.

There's a good deal to be found, sometimes, but more often their targets are designed JUST to make us ask these questions that'll get us stuck in an endless loop of logic.
"Vector isn't dead and thus is mafia... unless that's what they want us to think!"
This is (mylo?), and we seriously can't have this sort of stuff messing with us.
People's judgment can easily be compromised and a mislynch at this stage will lose the game for us.

Vote No Lynch.

(At least statistically, our chances of hitting scum are higher.)
Just be careful of this statement. You're doubting yourself, which is a bad thing.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 5 Bloody Friday.
« Reply #341 on: November 13, 2009, 10:14:35 pm »

MagmaDeath, as promised.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 5 Bloody Friday.
« Reply #342 on: November 13, 2009, 10:16:44 pm »

Well, I laid out my reasons yesterday, so still voting Vector.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #343 on: November 13, 2009, 10:18:43 pm »

I suspect I am going to be killed tonight.

LeGasp!  You're not dead.  You must be scum!
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Re: Beginner's Mafia 4: Day 4 Who are the true murderers?
« Reply #344 on: November 13, 2009, 10:21:56 pm »

I suspect I am going to be killed tonight.

LeGasp!  You're not dead.  You must be scum!
Sure...
Keep telling people that,
 Scum.
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